No It Hasn't Been "Photoshopped"

Neil Maidment

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Who ate all the pies?

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Presumably the egg that produced this weird and wonderful rainbow somehow survived the Triploid(ing) process and went on to produce a hen fish.

It was stuffed full of ova but fought exceptionally well!
 

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Flippin eck Neil, that is the Deanos of the trout world!!!

You could use that pic for a "guess the weight" just for fun.
 

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i'm sorry Neil, but that is not a fish, it is a monstrocity of mans making, i would pack in fishing rather than catch them.
 

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i'm sorry Neil, but that is not a fish, it is a monstrocity of mans making, i would pack in fishing rather than catch them.

Definately a freak Paul. Show me a UK rainbow that's not "man made", very few and far between.

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Flippin eck Neil, that is the Deanos of the trout world!!!

You could use that pic for a "guess the weight" just for fun.


Go on then!

How heavy? (That's a standard 4 piece 6wt fly rod)
 

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I have caught the odd fish like that, and I certainly am not proud in having done so.

I feel all of us must re-appraise what we believe to be a specimen fish. Have any of you seen the huge carp many believe will be England's next "record".

The poor thing looks totally obscene, utterly hideous, and a travesty of what a true specimen fish should look like. It even has its eyes bursting out on stalks.

Come on guys, it's time for a re-think. Do you really want to catch such monstrosities. Is an obese, overweight, ugly ogre of a man, a perfect specimen of humanity?
 

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I have caught the odd fish like that, and I certainly am not proud in having done so.

I feel all of us must re-appraise what we believe to be a specimen fish. Have any of you seen the huge carp many believe will be England's next "record".

The poor thing looks totally obscene, utterly hideous, and a travesty of what a true specimen fish should look like. It even has its eyes bursting out on stalks.

Come on guys, it's time for a re-think. Do you really want to catch such monstrosities. Is an obese, overweight, ugly ogre of a man, a perfect specimen of humanity?


Perfect? Who said anything about perfect? Who said anything about "specimen fish"?

You really do go overboard Ron. I strongly object to the question you pose in the last sentence.

I stalked the fish for about two hours and finally tempted it from a reasonably difficult position under a tree. If I had had a good enough sight of it to see it's "condition", I would probably have left it alone. As it was, all I had to go on was a big shadow, slowly cruising a relatively small area, in about 10 feet of water.

A second almost identical weight rainbow came from virtually the same spot 8 hours later and was a "mug" fish taking the fly at the first time of offering. This one conforms to the sterotype some people think is a "good rainbow".

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Both came from the same egg supplier. through the same breeding regime and were about the same age - 3 to 4 years old.

I'm intrigued how a process that is supposedly fool proof, is designed to stop rainbows going into breeding condition and was mainly devised to enable stocking into non native waterways (thereby not potentially adversely affecting any resident population through hybridisation), patently did not work on that particular egg!
 

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Congratulations on both fish Neil, they both fought well and you used your skills to stalk, tempt and land these fish. Regardless of what some might think a fish is a fish is a fish, you visit a fishery and you catch what's available.


I don't suppose many fish are impressed at falling to our Ron's tactics, I wonder if the catch and release stock shun the recently freed fish for the shame of being caught by some one as old as gods dog?










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"Have any of you seen the huge carp many believe will be England's next "record"."

Do you have a pic Ron, I would love to see it???
 

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Firstly Neil well done! Second, as it's not been mentioned, it's quite refreshing to see Trout (whatever there size) with full tails. This is testiment to a well managed fishery, never mind the freaky size, the fish looks to me to be healthy and has fulfilled it's intended purpose. If both fish came from the same venue then the fishery manager deserves a pat on the back.
 

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I think they look great. Obviously the first one looks a little rounded but if it was ladend with spawn it's bound to be. Look at Tench for example when they're caught full of spawn looking like footballs and yet no one ridicules them.
 
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Look at Tench for example when they're caught full of spawn looking like footballs and yet no one ridicules them.

Do they not? I know plenty who do (or at least ridicule those who target them in the hope of a precious extra few compensatory ounces).
That trout should have been a cull at the fingerling stage, I can't believe it wasn't spotted at an early age and so it must have been stocked deliberately (SE Asian ornamental fish breeders deliberately create such freaks to appeal to a certain market).
I'd be asking the fishery manager what the **** he was playing at, unless the whole fishery is a freak show of sorts (Divvy Springs, was it?). With mass-reared fish one or two might slip through, but these aren't mass-reared fish, are they?
Isn't there another thread on here where some people are muttering about the ethics of rearing animals of low genetic suitability?

The "next British record carp" picture was a sick joke, heavily oedematous.
 

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To me it is al about what we want from our fishing lives, i feel these trout are not what i want.

To me the real essence of trout fishing is a small river and wild fish, trout or grayling, i dont mind.

Still water rainbows have never held my attention for long when i have tried fishing for them, in fact my mind often wanders to what coarse fish the waters hold.

I really do believe that if all i had to fish for were rainbows, even these giants, then angling would not hold my attention for long......and i agree the first fish in the thread should have been culled and not inroduced.
 

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and i agree the first fish in the thread should have been culled and not inroduced.
I can't comprehend this Paul? I guess it's perhaps a game anglers mentality towards their prey?
As I mentioned earlier, to me a fish is a fish regardless of species, I don't target game fish but unfortunately catch quite a lot when after roach and dace on my local river.
Is the reason for the suggestion of the cull of that particular fish because anglers pay to fish trout fisheries for food if so would it be OK in a catch and release venue?

I'm not having a go I just don't think the same way a few others have posted about fish, I have no issue with people fishing for the pot, for specialising in any one field of the sport but I just don't get the reaction to the large carp mentioned or the trout in the photo.
 

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I just don't get the reaction to the large carp mentioned
It's an ill fish, unable to osmoregulate, indicative of kidney failure. I don't even believe that fish was feeding, I think the bait (a worm) was placed close enough so that it entered the mouth because of the breathing incurrent. In the unlikely event that it was feeding, that last thing I'd have done is take a trophy shot of a sick animal.

or the trout in the photo.
It has a genetic abnormality, probably due to improperly-administered heatshock of the ovum. You might as well fish for fancy goldfish.
From the website of what I'm guessing is the fishery in question "These crystal clear waters enable discerning anglers to stalk exceptional fish".
"No m'Lud, I wasn't kerbcrawling, I was merely being "discerning" in my choice of women".
 

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It's an ill fish, unable to osmoregulate, indicative of kidney failure. I don't even believe that fish was feeding, I think the bait (a worm) was placed close enough so that it entered the mouth because of the breathing incurrent. In the unlikely event that it was feeding, that last thing I'd have done is take a trophy shot of a sick animal.
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If the fish has failing kidneys then it would be very thin and deffo unable to or be inclined to feed. Appart from looking short and fat the fish looked in good condition to me.
Hey...but you sound like an expert on fish welfare so who am I to argue :rolleyes:
 

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If the fish has failing kidneys then it would be very thin and deffo unable to or be inclined to feed.

No, freshwater fish body fluids are hypertonic in relation to the surrounding water. They have to expend energy constantly removing excess water from their bodies. This means that when unable to osmoregulate, they would normally absorb water across any semi-permeable membranes (which in a fish, is pretty much everywhere). So they swell.
No need to be an expert, it's just basic fish physiology.
Could always be a carp crossed with a telescope-eyed moor I suppose "rolls eyes back"
 
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