I Like John Wilson... BUT!

Neil Maidment

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Is it really possible to design and manufacture a high quality multipurpose rod?

Ignoring the multi push in quiver tips, the latest reincarnation purports to be at least four different rods in one. The "Dolly Butt" and "Avon Top" options seem to create 11ft or 13 ft versions of "Avon" or "Quiver"?

Can they all be fit for purpose?


Mind you, if there's one going free..... :wh
 

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I rember my brother buying a split cane combination rod, 9ft feeder, 9ft fly, 7ft spinner, 12ft match and another combination but I cannot rember, was a 5 in 1. I think paid £200 way back around 1977, i know it was a lot of money and cost him all his savings. He sold it a year later for £20. He has never fished since.
 

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I rember my brother buying a split cane combination rod, 9ft feeder, 9ft fly, 7ft spinner, 12ft match and another combination but I cannot rember, was a 5 in 1. I think paid £200 way back around 1977, i know it was a lot of money and cost him all his savings. He sold it a year later for £20. He has never fished since.

Father in Law gave me one of those years ago. I have never used it, still got it somewhere, mixture of some cane sections and some glass.
 

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I know the old fly/spin cane combination rods are poorly thought of, both here and in the USA.
They fetch much less than either a good fly rod or a good spinning rod on ebay.

IMO it's one of those marketing ideas which surfaces every few years - personally part of the pleasure of fishing for me is using a balanced outfit made for the job.
 

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A good "Avon" rod is a carbon copy - sorry, a carbon-fibre copy - of the "Nottingham Pattern" cane rods; stiff, whole cane butt section, pliant built-cane middle and tip, typically 10'6" or 11'3" long and ideally suited to 4-6 lb line.
This pattern of rod, even in cane, proved soft enough to use light(-ish) hooklengths for roach and dace, beefy enough to set a hook at the end of a l-o-n-g trot, strong enough to cope with the big chub and barbel of the day, and sufficiently flexible under load (not liable to "lock up") to minimise hook-pulls.
That's a pretty wide base of uses to start from, and if you can extend such a rod to make a bearable float rod at 12' or 13', you'll have a rod that will make a fair fist of most coarse-fishing situations that don't involve pike, big carp, or casting into the next county.
Add a set of quiver tips, and you'll only be beaten by swims that need a pole or a very long rod, or swims full of such tiny bumpable-off fish that you ought to move anyway!
I rather wish I had one. Or three, because I tend to set up a leger, a float and a spare...

P.S. Why 10'6 or 11'3"? Because they used to make the blanks in three-inch increments - three sections at 3'6" is 10'6", three sections at 3'9" is 11'3". One suspects the ladies who sewed up the rod bags may have been laying down the law.

P.P.S. Those Japanese combis that flooded the market in the fifties and sixties as the yanks helped Japan rebuild its economy while leaving us swinging in the wind - the ones that made a 5'4" spinning rod or an 8' fly rod with two tips - the spinning version was useless, but the fly-rod... those guys really knew cane, and if you can find one with undamaged (or replaced) fittings, its worth a waggle. Slow action, as I recall, but sweet.
 
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Considering the adverts reckon its the most popular rod, i,ve only seen one being used ,and that was on the F B fishing match on Idle, lad next peg was using one incidentally he won the match.
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I have seen one in tackle shop ,and saw a fellow angler trying different reels on to the butt five reels did not fit, he tried some of my reels only a small Daiwa was forced in to
reel ,i believe Masterline eventually sent him a new butt section,

personally i have never liked that rod after having a waggle in a shop with one,

its not for me
 

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Considering the adverts reckon its the most popular rod, i,ve only seen one being used ,and that was on the F B fishing match on Idle, lad next peg was using one incidentally he won the match.
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I have seen one in tackle shop ,and saw a fellow angler trying different reels on to the butt five reels did not fit, he tried some of my reels only a small Daiwa was forced in to
reel ,i believe Masterline eventually sent him a new butt section,

personally i have never liked that rod after having a waggle in a shop with one,

its not for me

The more recent versions are poor compared to the originals. I think the 'best selling' tag probably relates to the rod as it was between 1987 and 2000, when it came with just three bits; a butt and two tips, one with a spliced-in quiver and the other a straight avon top. These early versions were not built to the highest spec with regards to fittings, but the blanks were first class and capable (in skilled hands) of landing just about any UK freshwater fish; pike, salmon and carp included.

I had a chat with John at the CLA some years ago, shortly after Masterline had changed the avon quiver to the multi-piece jigsaw puzzle format, and asked him why they'd ruined it. He said something about market forces and 'meeting demand' and, whilst he was careful not to outwardly criticise the decision, I sensed he was not fully supportive of it.

I don't know which of my many rods I'd save from the flames, if Old Nick only allowed me the one, but my early-version avon quiver would be high on the list. If I had a modern one I'd probably throw it on the fire.
 

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Not the kind of rod i would buy, bit floppy for me, same for the travel rods on the market.

The twin top rod works well,.
 

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Yuk ! I've yet to find a twin top rod that's good in both configurations. In my experience twin tops are often blinding quiver rods and rubbish avon rods. I have one or two and every one was bought to be used solely as a quiver rod...the "avon" tops on every one of them are not fit to grow beans up. It ought to be possible to do this properly but nobody IMO has done so yet....no matter what they might claim. I wonder why...it can't be that hard surely ?

And as for travel rods :eek:
 

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Yuk ! I've yet to find a twin top rod that's good in both configurations. In my experience twin tops are often blinding quiver rods and rubbish avon rods. I have one or two and every one was bought to be used solely as a quiver rod...the "avon" tops on every one of them are not fit to grow beans up. It ought to be possible to do this properly but nobody IMO has done so yet....no matter what they might claim. I wonder why...it can't be that hard surely ?

And as for travel rods :eek:

This problem was explained to me by Geoff Scollick many years ago when I went into his shop to buy a quiver to splice into the tip of an avon rod I'd bought as a blank. Geoff told me to cut the top section in half :eek: and then slide the top bit up inside the bottom bit and glue and whip it in place. He said that just splicing a tip into an avon blank always gave a floppy rod :(. I suspect that most twin tip rods have exactly the same blank for both tips so either the quiver is good or the avon top is good.
 

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I have an 11" travel rod. Rovex version. I find it a great all-round rod. It fills all my general coarse fishing needs and is dead handy size wise. I find the action ok for what is really a 60 quid rod.

If I want something more specialised I will use one of the expensive rods I have for those occasions.

I think who ever wins it will have hours of fun with it.
 

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It’s rare to hear such accurate appraisal of the limitations of this JW rod. I have a signature version circa 2004 which I have never been that happy with. I find it slightly irritating when I hear the JW often highly praised for various reasons e.g.
It’s versatile, I’ve caught a 18lb carp on it so it must be good, it’s shiny and I can shove an extra 18” lump of composite in and make it even heavier. I now have a few more specific rods that completely out perform this rod. E.G. a feeder rod which cost me about £50 and is miles better than the JW quiver set up and a match rod (£60) which is a 100 times more pleasurable to use for float fishing than the avon top (albeit for light lines) Alright the avon top is not really designed for float fishing but a lot of people try to use it for float fishing! So against the popular view I would say don’t waste you money on the latest version on the JW Avon but save up and buy specific rods suitable for the task (just my opinion) Having said this I quite accept that the early JW Avons were probably very good- I would swop mine for one!
 

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I have the cheaper version, the John Wilson masterline rod. Comes with two quiver tips and an Avon top.

Considering I paid around £40 for it, I’m quite satisfied. As a quiver rod it does what it says on the tin and I’ve had plenty of fish on it. However, as an Avon rod, in my view it’s a bit too beefy if its silvers you are after, or for trotting, However, its perfectly serviceable for heavy ledgering and float fishing for tench and small carp. I’ve even used it too wobble small dead baits and taken pike up to 15 pounds. Only downside is that the screw down reel fitting seems too small for a number of my reels.

Unfortunately, one rod will not suffice for all fishing applications, but this comes fairly close.
 

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I have the cheaper version, the John Wilson masterline rod. Comes with two quiver tips and an Avon top.

Considering I paid around £40 for it, I’m quite satisfied. As a quiver rod it does what it says on the tin and I’ve had plenty of fish on it. However, as an Avon rod, in my view it’s a bit too beefy if its silvers you are after, or for trotting, However, its perfectly serviceable for heavy ledgering and float fishing for tench and small carp. I’ve even used it too wobble small dead baits and taken pike up to 15 pounds. Only downside is that the screw down reel fitting seems too small for a number of my reels.

Unfortunately, one rod will not suffice for all fishing applications, but this comes fairly close.

That's a fair assessment. I think most of the criticism of this rod stems from disappointed expectations of being able to float fish with it. That's not to say it's useless for float work; it's ideal for laying on for tench or carp with fairly heavy line (6lb+) but it's not long enough, nor light enough, for you might call proper float fishing. However, you must balance that against its capabilities for legering, freelining, stalking, spinning, wobbling small deadbaits, even float fishing small livebaits. No single rod will cope with those techniques and still be a good float rod, so don't even try.

If you're preference is for a float rod that doubles as a quiver/leger rod, you'll do better to look at the lighter Fox Duo-Lites and similar rods by other makers - just don't expect to fish for pike with one!
 

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The original JW Avon was like nothing else around at the time and it was superb for its day. That's why IMO so many people have such fond memories of it but there are loads of that sort of rod around now & many are far better rods. I had one and I used it for everything from roach to barbel....but I never used the Avon top because it was nothing short of horrible.

If someone would do a twin top made from two different blanks ie a quiver top and an "Avon" or straight lead top with a single detachable butt I think it would sell itself. Too often one of the tops [usually the Avon] seems to be from a completely diffeent blank that just doesn't work with the butt section. Like I said every one of these "twin top" rods I have is either a blinding or very good quiver rod and a truly shocking Avon.
 

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I have a Wilson masterline specialist rod which I really do like. I think it's worst fault is the reel fittings which never seem to hold the reel totally secure leaving me always consious that my reel could drop off if I don't have my fingers round the foot.
 

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I have a Wilson masterline specialist rod which I really do like. I think it's worst fault is the reel fittings which never seem to hold the reel totally secure leaving me always consious that my reel could drop off if I don't have my fingers round the foot.

I have always felt the same with push on fittings. I modified several of my rods to screw down fittings and have been glad that I did so.

You should have confidence in your tackle and if you think the reel may fall off, then it certainly doesn't help in this respect.

Others will tell you that sliding fittings allow you to accurately balance the rod to differing reels, but as the rod is held near the foot of the reel then this point becomes the fulcrum point and any difference is marginal in my opinion.
 
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