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    Default What did you/we do before FIshingMagic.....

    And what would you/we do without it.........?

    Just think back those few short years ago before all this interweb 'facialsocialising' started and how ever did we manage? Remember when you had to phone your mate up to arrange a fishing trip, or worse still, write a letter.

    If you had a query about an item of tackle, or a specifc rig, you either trawled through your back copies of angling weeklies (let's face it, most of us had a loft full of them) or heaven forbid, you tried to solve the problem yourself.

    Imagine going to a venue and not being able to find out a thing about it before you got there. All that trial and error, what a waste of time.

    Has having all this information at our fingertips, just a few keystrokes and we can learn everthing we ever wanted know, made the fishing any better for us..........?

    Does less time thinking about what we are doing result in all of us being able to catch more and better fish with far less effort.......?

    Has the internet made fishing too easy, and would we be better anglers without it......?
    Still not sure what's going on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Perkins View Post
    And what would you/we do without it.........?
    More work probably.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Perkins View Post
    Just think back those few short years ago before all this interweb 'facialsocialising' started and how ever did we manage? Remember when you had to phone your mate up to arrange a fishing trip, or worse still, write a letter.

    If you had a query about an item of tackle, or a specifc rig, you either trawled through your back copies of angling weeklies (let's face it, most of us had a loft full of them) or heaven forbid, you tried to solve the problem yourself.
    Try and solve them myself - that's half the fun.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Perkins View Post
    Imagine going to a venue and not being able to find out a thing about it before you got there. All that trial and error, what a waste of time.
    Not a waste of time at all. I'd rather be on the bank getting it wrong. Besides, a fresh approach so often reaps rewards; I've lost count of the lakes where all the regulars fish in a particular way, and even think themselves out of a catch by not fishing at times they believe are unproductive, or by avoiding swims with no 'form'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Perkins View Post
    Has having all this information at our fingertips, just a few keystrokes and we can learn everthing we ever wanted know, made the fishing any better for us..........?
    Better? No. More successful? Possibly. More interesting? Yes. It also enables us to converse with like-minded individuals far more easily than would otherwise be the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Perkins View Post
    Does less time thinking about what we are doing result in all of us being able to catch more and better fish with far less effort.......?
    No. If anything, the discussions on here make one think more, not less. Even if it's a subject you're familiar with, having to write it out for the benefit of others makes you think more about what you otherwise tend to take for granted.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Perkins View Post
    Has the internet made fishing too easy, and would we be better anglers without it......?
    Depends on your attitude. The type who benefit most from the internet are the beginners, and they'll have no reference point against which to judge it. The more experienced among us will probably find the fishing hasn't changed at all - only the anglers.

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    Good points Kevin

    I think it has made the poor to average angler like myself a little better by having the info but nothing beats having someone show/explain in person how or why something works.

    Being able to arrange fishing with friends over the 'net I think has been a good thing.

    Forums - a good place to exchange info, but can lead to disputes

    I knowing about a place before you fish it does not mean you know EVERYTHING you need to catch but it will help - you still have to be prepared to change baits/methods on the bank if your info is not working on the day, and experiencing the place for yourself will never be replaced by reading about it.

    Finally - letting idiots such as myself write articles for websites - well it's a kind of therapy


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    I think its made fishing a lot faster to learn for most of us, due to information being readily available you might say. Although a lot of us older ones knew most things before it started , there is still a lot i have learned since i joined. I hope iv,e made some friends in doing so , and helped others as they have helped me. The fishing side of it is not easier in physical terms but the mental side is as this is the part that we have help with from more experienced guys on fm. I have only attended 2 fish ins in my time on here , and they were cut short , i,m sad to say as it was at a time in my life when things were getting me down a lot and i went a bit loopy in the head. But i think all is well now , and i can cope with life a lot easier. I am getting back into my fishing thanks to FM and all of you guys, as i came back on a few times and left again , through my head not being right, but not once did any of FM,s members abandon me and i was always welcomed back with open arms. To all those people that have stuck by me and given me an interest in living again , and helped me with information and praise when i do well (I THANK YOU ALL) Without FM i think fishing would have gone from my life , but you guys have given me the drive to keep it going and rekindled my love for the sport. It makes me sad at times when people get a bit too personal in threads , we must all remeber that we are just voiceing our opinions , and not trying to say things are right or wrong . We sometimes get confused with this and go off track sometimes. I personaly am sorry if i have ever offended anyone on FM with any remarks i might have made. And hope to come to some fish ins in the year coming up . I would love to meet some of the guys that made me so welcome last time, and this time iv,e got my good head on. With the kindest regards to all on FM , chubber.

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    Has the internet made fishing too easy? No. I do think that there are many benefits about having forums such as FM. Notably for discussion about rigs and baits or venue information. But we all have our favorite methods, baits and venues anyway - and this doesn't substitute first hand experience.

    Would we be better anglers without it? What I don't see on the internet is much discussion about 'watercraft', again this can only really be developed by time at the waterside. Its easy to offer opinions on items of tackle and contribute to threads about 'How to do this...? or 'What do you think of...? But such contributions are really a 'side show'. For me, the real issues in fishing are finding fish and presenting baits to them, and enjoying myself whilst in my persuit of fish.

    I think that certain aspects of the internet are particularly useful - Youtube videos on for example, 'Wallis casting' will show a whole lot more than reading an article on the subject, seeing someone catch a fish using a demonstrated technique will give you confidence when applying this to your own fishing situation.

    Among the more disappointing developments on the internet are the well produced 'thinly veiled' adverts for all kinds of stuff that are backed by a 'name anglers and are designed to get money out of us. I've spent an afternoon working on some swimfeeder designs. I'm solving a problem that probably doesn't exist - but if I catch using these designs I'll get a minor thrill out of 'solving the problem for myself'.

    Mark

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    Quote Originally Posted by m a brooks View Post
    I've spent an afternoon working on some swimfeeder designs. I'm solving a problem that probably doesn't exist - but if I catch using these designs I'll get a minor thrill out of 'solving the problem for myself'.

    Mark
    And that, more than anything, is what the instant angler (just add water) misses. These days it's so much easier to ask advice from others than solve a problem yourself - to the extent that you get questions like 'I've been carp fishing for six months and I'm off to so-and-so lake this week coz I want to get my first forty. What bait should I use? What rig? Which swims are best? Can I use a bait boat?'

    But is that really a failing of the internet, or simply bad manners on the part of the user? The type* who constantly asks for information (often with no attempt at politeness) on angling forums would probably do the same thing on the bankside, bending your ear when you're trying to get some peace. At least on the internet you can ignore him.

    *Usually known as a 'punisher'.

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    Personally its been an absolute godsend.I can honestly say I've had to rethink much of the way I fish because of what I've learnt from others on FM ......
    Yes,I agree,to a certain extent,that because this information is so readily available it does save me the effort of working things out for myself but I look at it from the point of view that what I get from others only forms the basis of new ideas and approaches and I always try to adapt whatever it is to suit my circumstances.

    I said"rethink much of how I fish"because being alone fisherman(and not keeping up-to- date with all the latest crazes found in the weeklies!)I admit to becoming a bit'samey'in my approaches to a given situation and this has probably restricted my catches in some ways....
    I can say,without fear of contradiction,that by using methods found within FM and the freedom of thought it instills my catches this last year or two have improved no-end!

    So this,along with the many faceless'friends'I have made,makes FM just great in my eyes-its opened the eyes of this 60+ chap and I'm thankful for that........

    And before FM?..well,the cork bodied perch float & 10lb line sort of worked,but the steel rod had started to become a little heavy!!
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    I'm currently researching roach fishing for a book I'm writing and I have to say that the internet isn't much use. It comes down to a lot of hard graft reading through huge piles of old newspapers and magazines (spent today working through Anglers Mail 1972-4) hoping to find some gem or other, and then trying to piece together what happened 30, 40, 50, 60 years ago. My contacts help with telephone numbers, and I'm lucky in having met or already knowing just the right people to help, but it still comes down to writing letters and trying to get good scans of old photos. A vast amount of angling history has been lost over the years dumped in skips. Other stuff resides somewhere but exactly where no-one knows. At least one of my enquiries results in lost scrapbooks being re-united with the correct custodian. Several written but unpublished books may or may not be out there somewhere but the authors have since died and somehow never found a publisher. None of this is on the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Wintle View Post
    I'm currently researching roach fishing for a book I'm writing and I have to say that the internet isn't much use.
    Did you expect to get information for a book from the internet? Short of someone getting all of the applicable copyright clearances and being paid to scan old books and documents and load them onto a website how would this information get on to the internet?

    A literature search is a handy thing.

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    I certainly knew that what I wanted would not be on the internet but it is a common belief that it is all there on the internet. Some books are available electronically but I know of no angling journals on there. There are very few libraries of these journals apart from places like the journal's own libraries, the British newspaper archives and a handful of collections. Fortunately, I think I have the material I need but it's a slow old job reading it all - found some good new stuff today that I didn't realise I had. Angling Times 1972 beckons tomorrow...

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