INTIMATE v STATIC

[Baz]

<u> STATIC CHUBBING </u>
This is where we can decipher bolt rigs and bite alarms from the more intimate form of running leads and freelining.
I am now begrudgingly dragging myself into the 21st century by saying that there is nothing wrong in bolt rigging and using bite alarms for chub or barbel, it just isn?t for me; well, not for most of the time anyhow. Bolt type rigs are used in conjunction with short hooklinks of about six inches; please correct me if I am wrong. These types of rigs would be used more on the bigger rivers like the Trent or Ribble, where bites could be at a minimum.

<u> INTIMATE CHUBBING </u>
This is the kind of chubbing that I link myself to. Free running leads, or freelining, which I use on smaller rivers like the Dane or Dove.
Okay, but bites might still be at a minimum, so the two forms can be used, static and intimate.

If you were upstream ledgering would you use a short, or a long hooklink and why?

 

[Joskin]

Getting Intimate with Chub now are we Baz. Is that legal? Lol

 

[Baz]

I have been for a number of years Jos.
Touch legering and link legering can be thrown into the equasion of intimate chubbing, where as static seems to be sitting it out and waiting for a bite.

I could be wrong, but I think static is what most people do nowadays. The vast magority of people that I come across are sitting behind semi fixed leads. It would be intersting to hear other peoples views as to what method they really do use.

 

[Baz]

How many people would think of chucking a two swan link ledger out on the Trent?
Maybe they do. But I have never seen it happen on places like the Ribble in a long time.

 

[mr chubblybarbel]

hi Baz,
I love fishing for Chub, specially in winter, mostly on small rivers. Intimate or static!!. Its 'horses for coarses' when legering, use just enough weight to hold bottom, wether that is 4oz or 4grms, its all relative to conditions. I find that when water temps. are low, Chub will move to the slowest moving part of a river, although not too far from main flow. Rolling a bait into these areas can be very effective, and contrary to popular belief in using small baits(in low clear conds,) , use BIG baits, you will have more fish. Use lightest RUNNING weight possible with hooklinks of 3-4" (so as to keep bait from waivering off bottom), this will also maximise bite detection, UP or DOWN stream.Bites will be either slow and steady or real rip downs on the tip Or classic drop backs if up stream. With longer hooklinks it is possible to not even detect a bite!Remember, the fish will not want to move far in winter conditions.As for bolt rigs and buzzers, thats lazy mans fishing!, leave that to the carp anglers!!
regards Chubbly.

 

[Baz]

Thanks Chubbly,that makes two of us that prefer the more intimate style of chub/barbel fishing.
Rolling a bait is near enough imposible on some stretches of rivers that I go on because of the nature of the river bed.
Hence this could be the reason that a lot of anglers will revert to what I call static fishing i.e. cast out and leave it there until a chub or barbel picks the bait up, and pulls the weight away from any potential underwater snags/rocks.
This style of fishing then becomes the norm, no matter where this type of angler fishes.

 

[Baz]

What about the assumption that it is better to use hair rigged baits on a bolt rig type set up, and hook mounted baits are better on a free running set up?
Yes, either will work in any given situation, but is there any 'real' advantage in doing what I have written above?

 

[Matt Brown]

Baz, the length of hookling would depend on the amount of float and the type of bait.

With breadflake I will often start on a 3ft tail in slow water to give a longer fall for the bait. I feel this give the Chub more time to spot the bait.

If I'm missing bites I'll reduce the hooklength to as much as 6" when using normal tactics (I've never bolt rigged for Chub)

Regarding hairs, I would never use one when Chub fishing. I prefer baits where I can bury the hook such as flake, popped up crust and paste.

Maggot fishing is completely different. Smaller hooks, lighter lines, differnt rigs and so on all have to be used.

 

[mr chubblybarbel]

Baz,
hair and bolt rigs go hand in hand and were invented by carp anglers.These rigs are perfect for carp' hooking themselves due to the way they feed.Barbel will also succumb to this method for the same reasons.Chub do not feed as the above and although hair rigging will work , the hair needs to be very short(hook resting on the bait).I find bolt rigs for chubbing a big no no. if a chub feels resistance of the weight it will almost certainly drop the bait.Much nicer fishing just enough weight,bait direct to hook, watching for the'tip'to go.A bit more skilful!!!!. A little tip i picked up, is not to 'strike'at a chub,just firmly 'lift' into it, it takes a bit of getting used to, but certainly puts more fish on the bank!!!
regards Chubbly

 

[Gary Knowles 2]

Baz - keep the faith mate. Chubbing is one rod, running leads and striking bites.

end of...

 

[mr chubblybarbel]

hi,
quite right Gary, too much information. Lifes too short!!!........

Chubbly

 

[Baz]

That?s buggered me up then Gary (o
I will be fishing the Ribble in late February at the Fish In. I have caught Ribble chub and barbel in the past, but never on a Fish In. My aim is to catch a chub, any weight, it doesn?t matter at this next Fish In.

<u>I have a swim in mind</u>
Directly in front of myself for about 10 ? 15 yds the river bed is strewn with boulders.
From the end of the boulders (submerged) is the main channel, which I may need anything from 4 oz to hold bottom, as the flow is quite fast, but now and again a nice looking crease appears, near to where I think the boulders finish, about 15 yds out from the bank.
(Would this be a spot worth exploring ) to see if I can find a clear area?

The spot that I fancy, as this is where I lost a decent chub on the last Fish In, is over to the far bank in a nice little slack area. I could hold bottom quite easily here with 2 oz or less. And it is directly in front of me.

Out of those two swims, which if any would you go for?

<u>Tackle & Bait</u>

12 ft Shimano Stradic specialist
Krystonite 6lb straight through
Size 6 hook
Knotless knot to the hook
Polamar to the swivels
Bait, cheese flavoured bread flake.
Cheese paste when it goes dark.

This is the rig I am thinking of using. Or a cage feeder free running on the line.
What is the difference between the two.

Please try to help me catch my first Fish In chub.

 

[Baz]

Or this one Is there any difference?

I will also be aiming to feed flavoured liquidised bread about every 15 minuets.

My fate is in your hands (o

 

[Ric Elwin]

Don't get too intimate Baz, those Chub throat teeth are legendary

 

[BAZ (Woody's twin, the nice one.]

Just bringing it back up for any further advice.

 

[Matt Brown]

Baz, if you get the change to fish for Chub in clear water - ie. where you can see them you can learn loads.

Instead of try to catch as many as you can or the biggest fisg just try as many different rigs, baits and tactics as you can.

Are they more scared of big baits? Just how ineffective is a hair rig really? How do they react to a massive hook? What about heavy line? Are they more wary of bright baits? And so on.

 

[fishy pete]

prefer to use running rigs for all my fishing exept barbel/carp Baz,but even then i still like running rigs in certain situations.
but a running rig on pacy flowing water usually becomes semi-fixed rig anyway,water pressure on line ,tightened up rod tip ect.
I think hooklength size,and size of hook/method of bait attachment could be more relivant Baz.
Wot i did notice on stretch we were fishing was how''cagey''fish were,i spent all day building up a swim with maggot,groundbait,and small pellet,and the amount of bites i was missing was unreal.tryed changing hooklength size and hooksize but still kept missing fish,
or not even seing bites and retreaving smashed baits.
in the end i was fishing with a 6" hooklength inline 2oz maggot feeder size 14 heavy maggot hook,and threading two maggots up shank and one on point,only then did i start conecting with fish.
what was noticable however was the lack of bites on my heavy set up fished downstream,i think this again points to pressured fish.
will scale it down next time and fish just hair rigged cheese/bread or a lob-worm tail?

 

[Gary Knowles 2]

Baz,

How can you fish 6lb straight through AND a knotless knot? - puzzles the hell out of me !!

Nothing wrong with what your proposing mate, although rig wise you may be gatting alittle over complicated. Running paternoster on a swivel is all you need.

In the first swim you talk about forget fishing the fast water with 4oz of lead, thats a bolt rig. Fish the edge of the main flow with no more than 0.5oz of lead. That's where the chub will be feeding. Especially after dark.

The second swim you mention, you should hold bottom with a lot less weight than 2oz especially if you pay out a bow of line. A 35g cage feeder or small lead should suffice.

Hold your rod all the time and keep the line curled under your finger. Despite what some people will tell you you can feel bites before anything shows on the tip, even with a light glass tip, pay out line to a taking fish and then strike.

Leave the two rods self-hooking stuff to the guys that havent yet learned the art of chubbing ;o)

 

[BAZ (Woody's twin, the nice one.]

Fantastic response lads, thanks very much, I will deffinately take note of what you have said.

Gary.
My mistake mate, when I said 6lb straight through, I should have said 6lb mainline, with a 6lb hooklength of the same braking strain.

Billy.
I have fished a few areas of the Ribble on maggot feeder, and expierienced those bites which you describe every time.
I did end up getting a few of the culprits out and they were trout.

Matt.
It's pretty rare when you can see feeding fish in the places that I go to. Although I have managed to do it on a couple of occasions.
One chub came to my pellet bait about three times, and backed off every time, even though it had not touched anything. When it and the other chub had mopped up the free offerings, this same chub came to within about a foot of the hookbait and stopped.
Then it made a dash for the pellet at lightening speed. It was quite something to watch.

On another occasion, chub were feeding all around my hookbait, about seven of them in total, but completely ignoring the hookbait its self. They obviousely knew it was a danger to them.
When the chub moved back into the overhanging bushes, I flicked a few more offerings out and moved the hookbait by about a foot.

When they came out to feed again, the hookbait was taken with no hesitation what so ever. This can only be because the hookbait wasn't where they thought it would be.
So how do I/we get around this problem when we can't actually see the chub?
They must be around our baits most of the time and we don't even know it.
Something is telling them, DANGER KEEP AWAY.

 

[BAZ (Woody's twin, the nice one.]

I'm puzzled about the 0.5oz of lead Gary.
Would I be depending on the lead resting against an obstruction or something, thereby allowing me to hold position at the edge of the flow?
That is where I was thinking of putting a cheese paste bait after dark.