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    Default Re: Angling Times - is there too much news in it?


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    Default Re: Angling Times - is there too much news in it?

    Thank you very much for that Fred. I'm sure others will also use the information!

    I have taken it for 6 months trial to begin with.....
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    Default Re: Angling Times - is there too much news in it?

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    Default Re: Angling Times - is there too much news in it?

    Sounds like 5 out of 6 readers stand in Tescos, W H Smiths etc!

    The only features now are Keith Arthur with news comment, Martin Bowler and Steve Ringer with his 'Commercials' stuff, the remainder being news and match results plus 2 pages of readers' pics.

    If there were more features then who should write them? Can't help feeling that there was a certain amount of duplication between Des and Keith in news comments. I know that when the rotating big fish column ran with writers such as Matt Brown and Gary Knowles there came a point when it struggled to get 'new' material at times.

    The equivalent in AM are Gary Newman's adventures, the ask the experts stuff aimed at beginners, the carp column, and again lots of news.

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    Default Re: Angling Times - is there too much news in it?

    In the new format AT, Steve Partner writes a couple of paragraphs and that's it. Before he usually had about half a page to develop a theme, which was usually well thought out and topical. I think he's underused.

    Apart from the emphasis on news items, many of which aren't very interesting, I must admit the current design of the AT is a bit crude. It had a much nicer layout before it was redesigned.

    Mark Wintle has a point when he says the AT struggled to get new material at times.

    Angling is an acquired skill, but it's not that difficult to learn. It must be hard for writers to consistently produce interesting columns without repeating what has been written before. I think that's why there's more articles now which read like advertorials, with heavy handed references to the equipment and bait used. But after a bit they become tiresome. I imagine that evocative articles which create a mood, rather than just talk about technique and kit, require lots of talent to write. There may be not many anglers who are capable of writing them. And possibly anglers buying weeklies are no longer looking for that sort of article.
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    Default Re: Angling Times - is there too much news in it?

    More interesting is to ask what changes should be made, or do we need to admit that most of us find all we want from fishing reading and buying on the internet?

    Most of what we could suggest has already been tried, the evocative articles were/are published in Waterlog but the circulation figures are pitiful. General fishing articles with the emphasis on big fish can't be any better or Coarse Fisherman magazine wouldn't have folded.

    I don't know what the answer is to boost sales of weekly and monthly fishing journals, but I do know from the anglers I speak to that the first place they go to research tackle and bait is the internet, and more of us are buying it off the internet. If you want information you Google it, ask on a fishing forum, or browse a favourite site. Most prefer to see it in action and search Youtube for a video, the one thing that can't be published in a magazine.

    It's not just fishing journals; for instance, like many I very rarely buy a daily newspaper these days but read all the news on the 'net and watch the videos, or tune in to the news, available 24 hours a day, on TV.

    It's still good to hold a newspaper, magazine or book in your hands for a better feelgood factor, but there are many of us who are foregoing that for the easy and quick fix that the internet offers.

    Fishing journals are still sinking to a levelling off point when sales will see-saw only slightly, but until then more will go under as they lose the battle to survive, leaving the remainder to share what's left.

    I don't think it's a case of fishing journals being any better or worse than they used to be, but more a case of there being far more alternative sources of reading/viewing.
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    Default Re: Angling Times - is there too much news in it?

    "Fishing journals are still sinking to a levelling off point when sales will see-saw only slightly, but until then more will go under as they lose the battle to survive, leaving the remainder to share what's left".

    I also think the current 'financial' climate will see many fishing and non-fishing magazines and papers folding, (no pun intended), my local newsagent was telling me that cancellations of Daily, and Sunday newspapers, and magazines, are a regular occurrence
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    Default Re: Angling Times - is there too much news in it?

    Eventually, all papers/mags will become internet subscription sites. Inevitable I think.

    I've never regularly bought the weeklies (or any others for that matter) but I always preferred the AT over the AM. The latter seemed too tabloid-like for my taste.
    Papers have to be news-based with articles, that goes along with standard daily newspaper format. Whether you find interest in the news they report is subjective.

    A Sun reader won't find much of interest in The Guardian and vice-versa.

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    Default Re: Angling Times - is there too much news in it?

    I have noticed the decline in quality since the new format started. I have bought AT every week for the last 17 years and have never known it to be as bad as it is now. The only 'article' left in it is Martin Bowlers diary piece and that barely has enough words in it to be interesting.
    I have been putting off switching to AM for the last month or so, I kept hoping AT would get better, but I think I will cancel it this week.
    I also get the Angling Star every month and I think it is the best Angling publication available at the moment, especially since Coarse Angling Today 'changed their format' and turned into another tackle catalogue!

    By the way - has anyone ever been asked if they would like the format of any of these publications changed? Nobody has ever asked my opinion on any of the publications I read.

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    Default Re: Angling Times - is there too much news in it?

    I am always terribly disappointed whenever I buy the angling times, aside from catches and the occasional dumbed down and biased fisheries science reports there isn't much news worth reading in the angling times, in my opinion anyway. I may not be in their demographic though, seeing as they seem to cater more for match anglers. It usually only gives me about 5minutes reading, if that.

    It seems to me that it's a kind of fishing equivalent of a tabloid.

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