Richard Farrow
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You also said a lot of specimen hunting, not specimen hunters.
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Like a nice juicy worm on a hook Ron.
Murray Rogers
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I fished recently for 2 nights with Wol, we were visited by a couple of anglers from the lake next door, a well known Syndicated water. We had a smashing time sitting out there drinking wine and cider (me on red, wol on white and the others on Cider). We were using alarms, had the bivs up etc. The other two guys are real old school and are well known and are also BCSG members. In their swim they were also doing the same sort of thing as us but actually had a working Fridge to keep the tinies cold.
I don't see a problem with this, it was good fun in good company, and we did nobady or anything any harm at all.
I don't see a problem with this, it was good fun in good company, and we did nobady or anything any harm at all.
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EC
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That sounds ace Murray, I've had similar experiences whilst beach fishing, barbeques and the like, supoib!
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Ron 'The Hat' Clay AMIMechE (SA) MIFE (SA) (ACA)
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Nothing, but nothing can compare with the day Jim Gibbinson and myself had with a guy called Brian Petersen back in 1979.
Brian at the time was MD of Nestle South Africa. We were taken to a private lake set amidst pines about 50 miles from my home in the hills of the South Western Witwatersrand. This particular lake was in part of a private estate of about 3000 acres and was stocked with small mouth bass, some of them as I found later went to very large sizes even by international standards.
After we had caught a few nice bass on small jigs,including one which was pictured inJim's book - "Modern Specimen Hunting" we were called over by Brian for lunch. Brian had set a table which he kept in the boot of his Merc, with an exquisite hand knitted Nottingham lace tablecloth. Various delicacies were produced from the cool box, including Beluga caviar and Cape rock lobster together with salads and dainty slices of brown bread.
Cut glass goblets were placed on the table and a couple of bottles of the finest Cape vintage of Chardonnay were poured out.
It was unbelievable. Old **** Walker would have loved it.
After this magnificent repast we went back to the fishing which was very good indeed. Brian caught a 12 lb sharptooth catfish if I remember.
Then at about 4-00 pm Brian calledus for tea. Set upon the table was a silver teapot with bone china teacups and a wonderful selection of various dainty cakes, including a magnificent plumb cake that had been flown in the previous day from Fortnum & Mason in London.
Chris Yates eat your heart out.
I'll never forget it and I don't think Jim will either.
Brian at the time was MD of Nestle South Africa. We were taken to a private lake set amidst pines about 50 miles from my home in the hills of the South Western Witwatersrand. This particular lake was in part of a private estate of about 3000 acres and was stocked with small mouth bass, some of them as I found later went to very large sizes even by international standards.
After we had caught a few nice bass on small jigs,including one which was pictured inJim's book - "Modern Specimen Hunting" we were called over by Brian for lunch. Brian had set a table which he kept in the boot of his Merc, with an exquisite hand knitted Nottingham lace tablecloth. Various delicacies were produced from the cool box, including Beluga caviar and Cape rock lobster together with salads and dainty slices of brown bread.
Cut glass goblets were placed on the table and a couple of bottles of the finest Cape vintage of Chardonnay were poured out.
It was unbelievable. Old **** Walker would have loved it.
After this magnificent repast we went back to the fishing which was very good indeed. Brian caught a 12 lb sharptooth catfish if I remember.
Then at about 4-00 pm Brian calledus for tea. Set upon the table was a silver teapot with bone china teacups and a wonderful selection of various dainty cakes, including a magnificent plumb cake that had been flown in the previous day from Fortnum & Mason in London.
Chris Yates eat your heart out.
I'll never forget it and I don't think Jim will either.
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Paul (Brummie) Williams
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Nothing wrong with angling in any form, match or big fish angling....and theres nothing wrong with a drink.............or combining the two in the manner Murray mentions.
I do hate the term "specimen hunter" tho!.......and i hate the users in our sport with a vengance.....those who want to make a name for themselves in anglingBEFORE they can fish............sad thing is we must have the only participant sport where people can do that!
Exept good old match fishing....that sorts out the pretenders!!
I do hate the term "specimen hunter" tho!.......and i hate the users in our sport with a vengance.....those who want to make a name for themselves in anglingBEFORE they can fish............sad thing is we must have the only participant sport where people can do that!
Exept good old match fishing....that sorts out the pretenders!!
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Andy "the Dog" Nellist (SAA) (ACA)
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I can't be a very modernspecimen hunter asI've caught all of my big fish in the last two seasons whilst using at mostone of Ron's 5B's /forum/smilies/smile_smiley.gif
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Paul (Brummie) Williams
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All that shite food would have made me ill Ron!! good old Balti everytime!
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Ron 'The Hat' Clay AMIMechE (SA) MIFE (SA) (ACA)
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Blerry Balti Mucker!
Yam make me sick and stinging of the ring mate!
Mind you come to think of it, what is the Brummie traditional dish. In Scouser Land they have Scouse, in Bury they have black pudding, in Yorkshire we have Beluga caviar, smoked salmon and the finest beef, rounded of with Yorkshire pudding and gravey.
Yam make me sick and stinging of the ring mate!
Mind you come to think of it, what is the Brummie traditional dish. In Scouser Land they have Scouse, in Bury they have black pudding, in Yorkshire we have Beluga caviar, smoked salmon and the finest beef, rounded of with Yorkshire pudding and gravey.
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Paul (Brummie) Williams
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Ron.....as you well know, i'm no Brummie exept on here.........but in Yam yam land the old diet was broth..........what went into it was loads of veg and whatever living thing hands could be laid upon!
Paul......my lad lived in Lancs for a while, when i went up he ordered a balti, you are right!
Thats why Ron, Ed etc say a balti is crap......they ain't tried a true Midlander!
Paul......my lad lived in Lancs for a while, when i went up he ordered a balti, you are right!
Thats why Ron, Ed etc say a balti is crap......they ain't tried a true Midlander!
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Ron 'The Hat' Clay AMIMechE (SA) MIFE (SA) (ACA)
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I was once taken for a Balti in Leamington Spa, by strangely enough, a guy from Dudley - Yam Yam Land. He claimed this particular Balti house, just off Bath Street, near the bridge over the River Leam, was the best in the Midlands.
Next morning, I have never known stinging of the ring like that in my life before.
Next morning, I have never known stinging of the ring like that in my life before.
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Fred Bonney
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Balti's up here are not that bright either.
The Mahatmacoat /forum/smilies/i_dont_know_smiley.gifin Wolverton, took some beating.
I've remembered, it was calledEastern Paradise./forum/smilies/tongue_out_smiley.gif
The Mahatmacoat /forum/smilies/i_dont_know_smiley.gifin Wolverton, took some beating.
I've remembered, it was calledEastern Paradise./forum/smilies/tongue_out_smiley.gif
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Paul (Brummie) Williams
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he was one of the rejects who couldn't hack it in the Blackcountry Ron..........so just as ages past he was ousted to the lowlands!
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Ron 'The Hat' Clay AMIMechE (SA) MIFE (SA) (ACA)
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Strangely enough the people who live in Royal Leamington Spa and Warwick, do not seem to have a pronounced accent. A few of the country boys say "Ooooh Aaaahh", but there is nothing you can put your finger on.
To be honest I loved Warwickshire, especially the countryside, the little River Leam, Draycote Water and the lovely river Avon. I lived there for 3 years.
To be honest I loved Warwickshire, especially the countryside, the little River Leam, Draycote Water and the lovely river Avon. I lived there for 3 years.
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Ron 'The Hat' Clay AMIMechE (SA) MIFE (SA) (ACA)
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As regards: "Specimen Hunter". There is a bit of a mystery as to who coined the words. It was certainly not Walker who hated the term with a passion.
It may have been Bernard Venables or E Marshall-Hardy who had something to do with the old Daily Mirror specimen fish competition. It certainly has its roots in the term: "Glass Case Specimen".
It may have been Bernard Venables or E Marshall-Hardy who had something to do with the old Daily Mirror specimen fish competition. It certainly has its roots in the term: "Glass Case Specimen".
Graham Whatmore
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Specimen hunter, a term used to describe an angler that concentrates exclusively on one species of fish or loosely to describe an angler who only fishes waters where there are very large fish. So why is this term more, or less acceptable than a game angler, matchman or a pleasure angler?
It is all in the mind of the individual who defends his own preferences by rubbishing the preferences of others and how common is that in angling? Too bl@@dy common in my experience as often demonstrated on here.
It is all in the mind of the individual who defends his own preferences by rubbishing the preferences of others and how common is that in angling? Too bl@@dy common in my experience as often demonstrated on here.
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Ron 'The Hat' Clay AMIMechE (SA) MIFE (SA) (ACA)
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The old specimen hunters of the 50s and 60s generally did not concentrate on one single species throughout the angling year.We tended to fish for tench carp and bream in summer, barbel in autumn, roach, chub and pike in winter and fly fishing for trout in spring.The vast majority of us were all round anglers who followed the ideals of Walker and others.
There were a few specialist anglers of course, mainly pike men who did a bit of tenching in summer. Ray Webb and Barrie Rickards were of this ilk, as were other famous pike men like Dennis Pye.
There were a few specialist anglers of course, mainly pike men who did a bit of tenching in summer. Ray Webb and Barrie Rickards were of this ilk, as were other famous pike men like Dennis Pye.
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Bully
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"Now, I remember a day, back in 1956, when me and The Queen were fly-fishing......."
Come on, who is the TV character Ron is reminding me of??
"Did I tell you about the time me and......"
Its bugging me now.
Come on, who is the TV character Ron is reminding me of??
"Did I tell you about the time me and......"
Its bugging me now.
Coming back to the "Modern Specimen Hunter" theme - there is a sort of sub-species that has the illusion that a day ticket or club permit entitles them to the exclusive use of the lake. They set up on one bank, and cast to the opposite corners. Some even make long casts parallel to their own bank.
Any attempt to fishwhilst they are awake willbe greeted with a bellow (from 70 to 80 yards away) of
"OI, I'VE GOT A BAIT IN THERE"
Not all are like this of course, but two such, each with threeset-lines out, can stitch up an entire small lake.
The best time to fish is therefore early morning, whilst they are still sound asleep in their bivvies.
One of my clubs (Farnham) has actually produced a set of diagrams in the club book, showing what is, and what is not acceptable about long range fishing. - I would like to seethat systemmore widely known. After all, game fishers have evolved an etiquette to prevent someone hogging the best pool - why can't carp fishers do the same?
When I fish for carp, I sight-fish with floaters under my rod tip - much more interesting than bolt-rigging at distance. Reasons - 1. I enjoy watching fish behaviour nearlyas much as catching them. 2. It catches more fish.
Any attempt to fishwhilst they are awake willbe greeted with a bellow (from 70 to 80 yards away) of
"OI, I'VE GOT A BAIT IN THERE"
Not all are like this of course, but two such, each with threeset-lines out, can stitch up an entire small lake.
The best time to fish is therefore early morning, whilst they are still sound asleep in their bivvies.
One of my clubs (Farnham) has actually produced a set of diagrams in the club book, showing what is, and what is not acceptable about long range fishing. - I would like to seethat systemmore widely known. After all, game fishers have evolved an etiquette to prevent someone hogging the best pool - why can't carp fishers do the same?
When I fish for carp, I sight-fish with floaters under my rod tip - much more interesting than bolt-rigging at distance. Reasons - 1. I enjoy watching fish behaviour nearlyas much as catching them. 2. It catches more fish.