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    Default 10 years from conception

    It is now almost ten years since the Fishing Magic Concept rod was conceived.

    The initial idea for an all round big fish rod was mine. Then Graham Marsden became involved, who was also able to organise with Dr. Steve Harrison of Harrison Advanced Rods for a design to be finalised.

    The final specification was:

    Length:............11 feet
    Test Curve........1 1/2 lbs
    Handle..............22 1/2 inches long - cork
    Reel seat...........Fuji DPS downlocking
    Guides..............SiC 9 off including tip
    Keeper ring........yes
    Action..............stiff in the butt with a fast taper under the hands, tapering much faster in the last 2 feet of the tip of the rod.

    Rod Finish.........Plain and matt, only the whippings to be varnished.

    Most who acquired this rod were delighted with it. The design went onto being used to catch everything from 20 pound pike to double figure barbel and 2lb roach. My own two rods have been in regular use for nearly 10 years. This year alone they have thumped out many good tench and bream. I have found them absolutely ideal as a general tench and chub rod.

    In the latest Coarse Angling Today, Graham Marsden, during the interview by Chris Ball, mentions the development of the Fishing Magic Concept Rod, and how various members of this site were also involved.

    One thing that is for sure, the FM Concept will still be landing big fish by those who purchased one in another 10 years hence.

    The rod is a modern classic.
    Last edited by Ron The Hat Clay; 23-07-2012 at 11:52.

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    Default Re: 10 years from conception

    Ron mate

    i'd have loved to get one of those rods - good luck to you
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    Default Re: 10 years from conception

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron The Hat Clay View Post
    My own two rods have been in regular use
    Any significance in the past tense? Personally, as I am unlikely to find, purchase or use a FM Concept rod it may as well be one of these:

    Armaplate 12ft 3.25lb Distance Carp Rod - Dragon Carp Direct
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsfishingnotcatching View Post
    Any significance in the past tense? Personally, as I am unlikely to find, purchase or use a FM Concept rod it may as well be one of these:
    Nothing like such rods.

    The Concept was designed primarily as a rod for playing fish using lines of from 4 lbs to 12 lbs bs. The test curve is 1 1/2 lbs.

    The Concept blank mandrill is still in existence and top quality finished FM Concepts are still available from a number of custom builders.

    Google Harrison Advanced Rods.

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    I have not used my two a lot but had my first 7lb tench and 10lb bream on them last summer. Got them out of loft other day for a bit of method feedering for bream & tench hopefully. Not washed the one I got of Graham though....

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    The spec sounds ok-- like many others-- I,m sure its a good performer but the one thing that lets it down for me is the length, twelve foot would have been better tho its down to the buyer at the end of the day.
    Anyone wanting a modern day classic may also like to look at some of the rods Pete Evens of Sheffield made in the mid eighties, they were , in my humble opinion, the absolute rod in the 1.5 tc range.
    Daiwa did a 1.25 tc rod back in the mid nineties, Pms 112s , I have read people saying they are classics. I still have a pair in the house but at the moment they are mothballed for the time being as I have just treated myself to a pair of the new sonik sk3s in 1.75 tc
    The range is in 1.5/1.75 and 2lb and they come with a spare top section and three quivertips. They perform really well and I am delighted with them to say the least having taken some impressive catches of fish when using them this new season.
    Check them out at Chapmans angling in Scunthorpe---- top class service.

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    Default Re: 10 years from conception

    There was a lot of input to this rod from the FM community at the time. Ron posted his specification for comment and there was a fair bit of discussion on length, number of rings, ring type, etc, etc before the final design was finalised. I remember having a play with Ron's prototype on the banks of the Trent and being impressed.

    I didn't buy one though. Why? Because the rod was spookily similar in action and feel to my Diawa WKS 311F, a rod which I'm still using today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flightliner View Post
    Daiwa did a 1.25 tc rod back in the mid nineties, Pms 112s ,
    I too possessed 2 PMS 112 Daiwas. I caught lots of 7 pound and quite a few 8 pound tench from an Oxfordshire gravel pit using them. I also used them a lot for Severn chub and barbel, with a quiver tip screwed in at the top.

    I always thought the the action was more suitable as a double handled sea trout fly rod. And of course I used one of them for lead lining for Draycote trout.

    As regards the length of the FM Concept, as Sean says this came under intense debate and the 11 feet was a compromise, some, including myself preferring 10 to 10 1/2 feet, others 12 feet.

    ---------- Post added at 22:18 ---------- Previous post was at 21:24 ----------

    As regards the rings, I suggested SiC single leg to save weight. Graham Marsden wanted double leg as he is apt to break single legs, so double legs it became.

    I own the very first prototype with single leg rings. I also own another later built model with double leg rings.

    I prefer the single legged version.

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    So you basically came up with.... An Avon rod... What innovation... You really do have a will to be significant in the angling community don't you Ron...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron The Hat Clay View Post
    I too possessed 2 PMS 112 Daiwas. I caught lots of 7 pound and quite a few 8 pound tench from an Oxfordshire gravel pit using them. I also used them a lot for Severn chub and barbel, with a quiver tip screwed in at the top.
    I used mine when Barbel fishing on the Trent when it was still considered a waste of time to fish it,(early/mid nineties- onwards) the matchmen had all but dissapeared and it wasnt thought to be worth bothering with-- but for a couple of friends it was like my own private river.
    I caught a rather big Barbel using one of those rods that caused quite a stir, people I had never met or heard of were ringing me up wanting to know the how/what/ where etx etx etx.
    Great little rods, reverse over them with the car and they would still be ok to use!

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