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    Default RED V RED! Confused? I am!

    Experts in both sea fishing and course fishing expound the virtue of using red line as it appears invisible to fish and gives an advantage when fishing crystal clear water.

    I have no reason to dispute this as a fact but then I have difficulty in understanding why some anglers swear by using the "red maggot". Can the fish see the maggot but not the line? Does the red dye contain some magic fish attracting ingredient like Robin Red?

    Some Carp guys I know get great success using baits dyed with Robin Red and fish in crystal clear lakes.

    Is this one of lifes many puzzles or have I missed something obvious?

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    Default Re: RED V RED! Confused? I am!

    Red line isn't invisible to fish. It is more likely to be seen as black.

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    Default Re: RED V RED! Confused? I am!

    Agreed.... it is the most visible....

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    Default Re: RED V RED! Confused? I am!

    Colours absorb wavelengths of light to different degrees. The longest wavelengths, with the lowest energy, are absorbed first. Red is the first to be absorbed, followed by orange & yellow. The colours 'disappear' underwater in the same order as they appear in the colour spectrum. Even water at 5ft depth will have a noticeable loss of red. However, from my years scuba diving in the past red does not disappear, it becomes grey at approximately 15’ and at about 50’ becomes black.
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    PS Flouro colours do not 'disappear' in the same way.
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    Back in the 80s I spoke to some divers about this and they told me that below forty feet the coloured redgills we were using were black in colour . But this does not explain the following. Most of the time we were fishing in 300 foot or more on the wrecks in the western channel. At the start of every day we would tackle up with a pirk and three rubber eels one black one red and one flouresent red these being the most productive colours as a rule. After about three drifts over the wreck one of the three colours would be taking more fish than the other two so we would be using three the same as long as we carried on catching fish. All the colours were black at the depth being fished but the fish prefered one of the three on any given day.

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    Default Re: RED V RED! Confused? I am!

    but do fish see colours the same as humans?
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    Default Re: RED V RED! Confused? I am!

    ^^No!

    the different shades of red will still be different shades of "black" when in deep water.

    if red did "disappear" below 40ft, then submarines would be that colour.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Paul of Sheffield View Post
    but do fish see colours the same as humans?
    No. Fish and many other animals have less sensitivity to red light. That is why rabbit and fox shooter use red lamps at night. The animals don't 'see' the red light as they would a white light and therefore are not spooked by it.

    As other have said, red appears grey then black at increasing depths. As fish are less receptive to red light than we are they would 'see' the changes ate much less depths than humans. In reality you might as well use line that is coloured as near to the bottom of your swim as possible whether that be sand, mud or weed.

    To be truly invisible the object would have to let all light through it as glass nearly does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicepix View Post
    ... In reality you might as well use line that is coloured as near to the bottom of your swim as possible whether that be sand, mud or weed.
    That assumes the fish are looking down. Ok for benthic feeding species if you are talking about a hooklength lying on the bottom. But, for most fishing situations, surely it would make more sense to have a line colour that matches the colour of the surface of the water as seen from below?. Hence most species of fish have a white underside.

    To be truly invisible the object would have to let all light through it as glass nearly does.
    That makes more sense to me. Flourocarbon is a good start. I mostly use 'clear' reel lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by james View Post
    That assumes the fish are looking down. Ok for benthic feeding species if you are talking about a hooklength lying on the bottom. But, for most fishing situations, surely it would make more sense to have a line colour that matches the colour of the surface of the water as seen from below?. Hence most species of fish have a white underside.


    That makes more sense to me. Flourocarbon is a good start. I mostly use 'clear' reel lines.
    Yes, good point. For fly fishing and lure fishing I do use flouro' hook lengths or neutral coloured lines. But when bait is nailed on the bottom it's usually either brown or green.

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