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    Default The case for culling Otters

    BBC One - Inside Out East

    Should cause a bit of a stir

    If you live outside East Anglia Look East is on SKY 983.

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    East Anglia, you say?

    I blame on it on all the eight to twelve fingers and webbed feet, you know....

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    I would rather see something done about Cormorants first. I dont believe they belong inland - certainly not in the numbers that are found now. Their impact on roach, rudd and other fish can be immense.

    Otters do belong here - in many river systems. It would be hard to justify actions on otters to protect some trophy fish like double-figure barbel or porky pig carp that are not naturally a part of the river catchments in many areas. Its easy to imagine how barbel were not in some of our smaller rivers when otters were widespread and abundant (going back a few centuries probably) - they would have been eaten to extinction.

    Allowing or promoting the return of otters to their ancient distributions appears to be a goal of society and will have repercussions on trophy fish in smaller rivers especially. I fear for waters like the Ivel and Wensum - the EA may be wasting their time restocking with barbel on one hand while promoting otters on the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chub_on_the_block View Post
    Its easy to imagine how barbel were not in some of our smaller rivers when otters were widespread and abundant (going back a few centuries probably) - they would have been eaten to extinction.

    They would have been in the smaller rivers but only for a short time, chub - during the spawning season: get up there, do your stuff, get back down to the main river. Seen this with barbel in Europe and, particularly, in India, with their close relatives, the mahseer.

    Small streams were primarily nursery streams, with larger fish (not just barbel, but fish like sea-trout and salmon, too) only entering them to breed (and entering them late, at the last minute), having learned over thousands of years of a totally wild existence that attack from the air or in the water would follow if they hung around. Same with the trout in many smaller (and larger) western United States rivers today - present but very careful about just where they lie, looking for depth, "structure" (snags and treefall), aerial cover and surface disturbance to protect them from aerial and aquatic attack.
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    I wait with bated breath. This could be as good for angling as the proposed shooting of Keith the seal

    PS A mate spotted Keith at Tewksbury on the Severn, thought it was a drowning dog and tried to catch it on a big spinner. Thought the "dog" had drowned but Keith scared the sh1t out of him when surfacing just off his rod tip!
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    If its a Look East thing, why arent John Bailey or John Wilson getting involved~?...bloody lightweights !! (smiley thing).
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    Quote Originally Posted by chub_on_the_block View Post
    If its a Look East thing, why arent John Bailey or John Wilson getting involved~?...bloody lightweights !! (smiley thing).
    Probably because Look East doesn't quite stretch to Thailand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sam vimes View Post
    Probably because Look East doesn't quite stretch to Thailand.
    I didnt realise he had gone already...

    He will have as much trouble finding dace and chub on the stick there as he did in Norfolk
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    There is no case whatsoever for culling Otters.
    Whoever thinks otherwise needs to face facts.
    Otters are here to stay and the overfed fisheries need to install their own fences, cut down their stocks of fish or face predation by a legally protected species.

    Throughout Europe Otters are strictly protected (anglers also 'crop' the fish) and their fishing doesn't seem to suffer so perhaps our European partners can teach US something?

    I would support a controlled cull of Cormorants however and the sooner the better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chub_on_the_block View Post
    I didnt realise he had gone already...
    I couldn't say either way.

    Quote Originally Posted by chub_on_the_block View Post
    He will have as much trouble finding dace and chub on the stick there as he did in Norfolk
    I doubt he'll be crying himself to sleep at the loss.

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