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    Default Single legged ring guides.

    Just thinking really, I have been looking at rods and many of them have single legged ring guides.

    I really don't like them personally, as I find they get bent and broken relatively easily. Manufacturers argue that using them gives a rod a more natural curve (Although I argue that they are cheaper to buy and cheaper to fit to a rod as less whipping time is needed)

    Do you love them or hate them and would a rod having them put you off from buying it?


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    Default Re: Single legged ring guides.

    It would not put me off but I definitely would not go out of my way to find a rod with them. To be honest the lack in quantity of eyes on most rods these days are what affects the curve more than the number of legs

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    Default Re: Single legged ring guides.

    Depends on the type of rod and the guides in question.

    I don't want single leggers on my carp rods. I'm less concerned with them on my barbel rods, but I'd still prefer not to have them.

    When it comes to a float rod, unless it's a bit of a beast of a float rod, I'd want and expect single legs on all but the butt rings. Double/triple leg rings stiffen a blank ever so slightly, not what I want on a finesse rod. They can also make such a rod ever so slightly tip heavier. Not what I want, particularly on a longer rod.

    Rule of thumb for me would be: the heavier the rod and bigger the rings used, the more I'd hope to see them being double/triple legged. In the other direction, the more finesse is required, the more I'd want and expect to see single leg rings.

    I wouldn't buy a carp rod with single leg rings. Only one of the five different types of carp rod I own have singles. It's not a rod I ever use now.
    I might buy a barbel rod with single leg rings. My collection of barbel/specialist rods is roughly a 50/50 split.
    Feeder rods are much as the barbel/specialist rods.
    Of all the float rods available to me, only the two types of power/specialist rods have double/triple rings throughout. I'd definitely not avoid singles on a proper match float rod.

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    Default Re: Single legged ring guides.

    Ive built rods from IGFA 130lb bent butts downwards and believe me its the manufacturer of the rings that really matters not how many legs they have.

    The highest quality rings are made by FUJI and they are the only game in town, no-one else even comes close, and that is why every Fuji ring has FUJI stamped on each and every ring frame so their quality is easy to identify.
    If your offered a rod and it has Fuji rings you can be assured that it is a quality product and not something that has been built down to fit a budget.

    As an example my Hardy 13' Specialist Float has two double legged and ten single legged Fuji titanium framed rings and the single leggers are so strong you can flex them with your thumbnail and the twang when released!

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    Default Re: Single legged ring guides.

    Quote Originally Posted by mick b View Post
    Ive built rods from IGFA 130lb bent butts downwards and believe me its the manufacturer of the rings that really matters not how many legs they have.

    The highest quality rings are made by FUJI and they are the only game in town, no-one else even comes close, and that is why every Fuji ring has FUJI stamped on each and every ring frame so their quality is easy to identify.
    If your offered a rod and it has Fuji rings you can be assured that it is a quality product and not something that has been built down to fit a budget.

    As an example my Hardy 13' Specialist Float has two double legged and ten single legged Fuji titanium framed rings and the single leggers are so strong you can flex them with your thumbnail and the twang when released!
    Agree totally Mick and having built many rods over the years there's only one ring for me and that's Fuji.

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    Default Re: Single legged ring guides.

    Although it’s some years since I’ve actually built a rod (and I also swear by Fuji rings) I was told by a rod maker that all rings, whether single or doubles, will soften a rod to some degree as the weight they add has a greater effect on rod efficiency than does any stiffening that occurs between the guide feet?
    Jerry
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    If you understand what you’re doing, you’re not learning anything................

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    Default Re: Single legged ring guides.

    Quote Originally Posted by barbelboi View Post
    Although it’s some years since I’ve actually built a rod (and I also swear by Fuji rings) I was told by a rod maker that all rings, whether single or doubles, will soften a rod to some degree as the weight they add has a greater effect on rod efficiency than does any stiffening that occurs between the guide feet?
    Jerry
    There's nowt as queer. I've heard the exact opposite from a custom rod builder. He uses double/triple leg guides to stiffen a rod, ever so slightly. That's certainly what I've based much of my thinking on. I wonder how much the multitude of different rods builders actually agree on and how many different pet theories there are?


    My definite preference is for Fuji rod fittings, rings and reel seats. However, it's worth looking hard at some fittings that claim or appear to be proprietry. Peel a brand name sticker off a reel seat or check rings for brand markings and they may not be quite what the makers claim (Greys SiC, Fox Sliks etc). I've seen a few folks moan about brands not using Fuji reel seats, only to peel a sticker off to find that they are Fuji. The biggest snag I've found in identifying genuine Fuji rings is in the small match rod sizes, they don't appear to have any marks on them. If the rod manufacturer doesn't make a song and dance over the type fitted, you might never know. It seems that the specialist market places far more importance on ring types/brands than the general match/coarse market does these days.

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    Default Re: Single legged ring guides.

    Quote Originally Posted by The bad one View Post
    Agree totally Mick and having built many rods over the years there's only one ring for me and that's Fuji.
    To the bad one.... I've asked this question a couple of times on this forum so far without a reply ..so as a rod builder do you know please.
    Question. What do yo put on whippings to get that smooth professional finish. I used to buy stuff in a tube that set in a clear neat hard film on whippings but that was a while ago and now I just blank looks in any tackle shop that I have enquired in. Thanks.

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    Default Re: Single legged ring guides.

    My Greys carp rod have single legged rod rings apart from the two towards the butt, many of the Greys Carp rods have this and I would put them in the mid priced to decent brand of rod

    Cannot see any issue myself unless you are a bit rough handling the rods in transport etc

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    Default Re: Single legged ring guides.

    Dave Lumb rods are highly regarded on the Pike fishing scene and he doesn't use them as standard on his custom Pike rods, "........ because I know that they don't withstand the rigours of pike fishing.....", he uses 3 legged Fuji BSVOG.

    D.L. Specialist Tackle - Rods

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