You seem to have forgot PASTE HNV paste was used before boilies came into being and even when they were one hell of a lot of people did not know how they were produced.
A extract from Coarse Angler August 85
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You seem to have forgot PASTE HNV paste was used before boilies came into being and even when they were one hell of a lot of people did not know how they were produced.
laguna
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What makes you think I forgot that paste was used before boilies came into being?
I fail to see your logic in that statement, its the size of the bait he used that intrigues me.
cg74
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Geoff, the angling ability of the writer has no bearing on the content of his comments. You say he had it about right, but evidence says otherwise; tench, even on waters that are fished nigh on exclusively with self hooking rigs etc, the tench are still perfectly catchable on hook mounted baits such as corn, worm, maggots.....
So that leaves this line incorrect: "causing headaches for those that steered clear of many of the tactical, so called advances"
Regards the enjoyment factor, going on the number of anglers choosing to fish 'new' methods - I'd suggest more enjoyment is gained using modern(ish) techniques. Because as I've explained, traditional rigs are just as successful, if not more successful than modern ones (in terms of catching fish).
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Did you never use large paste baits then I often used baits the size of a tangerine and that was about the norm on a water where bream were present. The baits were often mounted on crust pads to stop them coming off during casting.
laguna
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Large (ish) Yes made of risen bread dough but maybe no larger than 25mm (1inch pieces) for big bream and up to 75mm for chub but certainly not for tench and certainly not tangerine size. I'm questioning the reason behind why someone like Martin used similar sized baits for tench, the same sized boilies used by Fred for carp. I am not questioning your own practices only your opinion?
What people use for bait and how they use it is up to them. As far as Martin Gay is concerned I can only wish I had half the fish he put in the his net, Tench, Carp, not to mention the amount of thirty pound pike. His results speak for themselves he had it right more than most.
If you don't like the methods, you don't use them. As for them causing problem for more traditional anglers, well that's nonsense. A good angler is a good angler.
We have moved on from fishbone hooks, horsehair and gut lines, greenheart rods and wicker baskets. It's called progress and those that don't like it don't have to go with it.
The jewel in the crown of my club waters is an ex sand quarry full of prime tench. Plenty of anglers fish rods on pods with alarms and bolt-rigs but equally as many fish waggler in the margins and some do well on the pole.
Pontification, regardless of your past achievements, is always likely to lead to dissent and division.
We have moved on from fishbone hooks, horsehair and gut lines, greenheart rods and wicker baskets. It's called progress and those that don't like it don't have to go with it.
The jewel in the crown of my club waters is an ex sand quarry full of prime tench. Plenty of anglers fish rods on pods with alarms and bolt-rigs but equally as many fish waggler in the margins and some do well on the pole.
Pontification, regardless of your past achievements, is always likely to lead to dissent and division.
richiekelly
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That reads that you helped develop the HNV approach with Wilton, is that correct?
I know an angler that I met through the Barbel Catchers that was, next time I speak to him I will ask him if he knows you.
Jumping the gun yet again look before you leap and read the post from the very start. It says this is from the same article. Meaning the article by Martin Gay. So you can put your knife away for another day.
richiekelly
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Was that HNV bait, Blanks, or just some smelly old stuff from the bottom of the bag?
I think some old mouldy things can be quite nutritious.
geoffmaynard
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I think some old mouldy things can be quite nutritious.
I got in a fair bit of trouble on here a few years ago when I was (gently) taking the Pee out of anglers who were insisting on using 'human grade' peanuts. The vitriol came down from a great height and from a great many bait-barons. Nevertheless, the best peanuts for bait in my experience are those which have gone slimy and started to sprout after being left in a warm tupperware box. The carp love them. I imagine other pulses etc would also benefit from similar treatment.
(Awaits incoming!) :wh
laguna
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here's incoming
Germinated, sprouted, malted, predigested... all have beneficial properties. You know of course, correct preparation by soaking and/or boiling legumes are essential for fish welfare - they help remove and nutrilise phytates and other anti-nutrients and make them more digestible.
A peanut left to sweat and mould in the bottom of your bag is hardly the recommended way, in fact peanuts should be banned altogether imo.
Off my soap box now but hemp.... actually doesnt need any preparation at all, it has no anti-nutrients whatsoever it just improves with soaking and splits releasing oil.
Germinated, sprouted, malted, predigested... all have beneficial properties. You know of course, correct preparation by soaking and/or boiling legumes are essential for fish welfare - they help remove and nutrilise phytates and other anti-nutrients and make them more digestible.
A peanut left to sweat and mould in the bottom of your bag is hardly the recommended way, in fact peanuts should be banned altogether imo.
Off my soap box now
but hemp.... actually doesnt need any preparation at all, it has no anti-nutrients whatsoever it just improves with soaking and splits releasing oil.
richiekelly
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I wasn't jumping the gun, when you quote something it makes sense to put it in quotes, no way it can be misinterpreted then is there!
Just read what is written in the post then you will not make a mistake it is very simple just read what is there in plain English.
richiekelly
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Please do what you said the other day and "not bother" I already have a dog that follows me around.
geoffmaynard
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Of course soak them for a day or two first - but they sure don't need to be 'human grade' imo.
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Are you two both Essex boys?
barbelboi
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It's contaminated stuff that gets into the food chain that causes problems. At the harvest stage where contamination starts and if the crop isn't moved on quickly enough and gets damp then the toxins go to work and immediately the crop is deemed unfit for human consumption. That same crop then finds its way into the animal food chain rather than be destroyed and it has been proved that animals and birds may die in a very short space of time when fed contaminated nuts and cereal. What effect it has on fish I wouldn't know.................
richiekelly
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Of course soak them for a day or two first - but they sure don't need to be 'human grade' imo.
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Are you two both Essex boys?
How very dare you, I need to lie down in a darkened room for a while.
geoffmaynard
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Understand that Jerry. What got me though was the guys who thought nothing of using balls of goundbait themselves - 85% birdsh1t - plus maggots, worms and bloodworm on the hook and then had the termerity to criticise me for not using 'human grade" peanuts!
I said I would when they used human grade birdsh1t!