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    Default What makes a club a syndicate? (what's the difference?)

    When is a water a syndicate water or Just a club water?

    I fish a beautiful and remote private Estate Lake which our club has leased for well over 70 years.

    The club has a limited membership because in our lease the landowner stipulates that we have no more than a certain number of members and so you are often the only person there.

    To cover the cost of the lease; our membership fees are higher than a lot of other small clubs; the club is run by its members for its members and no-one other than the landowner makes any monetary gain.

    We have a very long waiting list and sometimes it's like waiting for dead men's shoes to actually get into the club.
    To actually get onto the waiting list in the first place you need to be proposed by an existing club member who can vouch for you.

    But to us it isn't a Syndicate, is it???; It's just a small club who happens to fish a very beautiful and remote Estate Lake which the members really care about, and wants to keep it well looked after.

    So what makes it a Syndicate water or just a Club water?
    Isn't the word 'Syndicate' often a bit misleading?


    The Estate lake showing the two islands on the left in early spring before the lilies started to erupt.
    There's another area of the lake behind me with a very old and picturesc brick bridge running between the two parts of the lake.

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    Last edited by Keith M; 21-01-2016 at 16:23.
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    Default Re: What makes a club a syndicate? (what's the difference?)

    To my mind, syndicates are expensive clubs.
    I may be old, but I ain't dead yet.

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    Default Re: What makes a club a syndicate? (what's the difference?)

    Lovely looking lake Keith.

    We have a very similar arrangement but we think of ourselves a Syndicate!

    Eye of the beholder I suspect

    Stu

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    Default Re: What makes a club a syndicate? (what's the difference?)

    A genuine syndicate is a small(ish) group of like-minded anglers co-operating to lease a single water. Not much different to a club other than in scale. If a club is severely restricted in numbers and operates just one water it could easily be considered a syndicate.

    Many syndicates aren't the real thing. One bloke paying the rent then selling expensive, but limited, season tickets to make a profit is not a true syndicate. The membership having little or no say in how the fishery is operated is also a tell tale indicator.

    To my mind, a genuine club will usually operate multiple waters or stretches of river. It will not have any restrictions on the number of anglers that buy a ticket, though individual waters may have number restrictions at any one time.

    There are plenty of grey areas, but, for me, the essential differences between a club and a syndicate is scale of membership and number of waters. AGMs, EGMs and committees are also a fair indicator of a fishing body being a club.
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    Default Re: What makes a club a syndicate? (what's the difference?)

    Enjoy Keith, who cares, i have something similar but larger, we are blessed with these venues, no records but pure peace, heaven itself.

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    Default Re: What makes a club a syndicate? (what's the difference?)

    I think Sam's description of a syndicate is spot on, I have belonged to proper syndicates but also belonged to the other sort that Sam describes the former run by the anglers the other there just to make the owner a living, they are in my view nothing more than commercials with a limited membership. Not that their is anything wrong with an angler fishing a commercial if that what they want to do.

    There are single species groups that have no waters of their own but have been allowed through negotiation with the controlling club to form a group of anglers that are allowed to fish these waters at night, these groups are called syndicates but to my mind they are not as they are governed by 2 sets of rules the first being those of the club and the second being those of the species group, I know of one such "syndicate" where the night "syndicate" has a strict no publicity rule but the controlling club have no such rule, even worse day tickets are available for the water with no such rule.

    It is my belief that some anglers like to belong to what they see as a syndicate because it gives them a feeling of superiority over other none syndicate anglers.
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    Default Re: What makes a club a syndicate? (what's the difference?)

    I agree with Sam - a club usually has a Chairman,Treasurer,Membership Secretary & possibly its own bailiffs and have multiple waters for members to enjoy.
    A syndicate,as I have always understood it, is where an individual acquires the fishing on a water having negotiated with the riparian owner on cost, numbers allowed to fish at any time etc. A 'syndicate' referring enquiries to the membership secretary or similar is a club but the snob value obviously kicks in.

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    Default Re: What makes a club a syndicate? (what's the difference?)

    Agree with most of the above, but in addition, generally syndicates are perceived as more exclusive, based on either ability to gain entry, or premium pricing.

    As others say, if you enjoy where you fish, who cares what it is called?

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    Default Re: What makes a club a syndicate? (what's the difference?)

    Quote Originally Posted by thecrow View Post
    I think Sam's description of a syndicate is spot on, I have belonged to proper syndicates but also belonged to the other sort that Sam describes the former run by the anglers the other there just to make the owner a living, they are in my view nothing more than commercials with a limited membership. Not that their is anything wrong with an angler fishing a commercial if that what they want to do.

    There are single species groups that have no waters of their own but have been allowed through negotiation with the controlling club to form a group of anglers that are allowed to fish these waters at night, these groups are called syndicates but to my mind they are not as they are governed by 2 sets of rules the first being those of the club and the second being those of the species group, I know of one such "syndicate" where the night "syndicate" has a strict no publicity rule but the controlling club have no such rule, even worse day tickets are available for the water with no such rule.

    It is my belief that some anglers like to belong to what they see as a syndicate because it gives them a feeling of superiority over other none syndicate anglers.
    Maybe they just want a bit of peace and not be confronted with rubbish bags hanging on a bush or someone deffecating in their swim, or be plagued by drunks and druggies, you take it as you find, me i will stick to the syndicates, at least we can blackball the idiots, and it works out cheaper if you do a lot of fishing, as for the other been there got the teeshirt, no thanks.

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    Default Re: What makes a club a syndicate? (what's the difference?)

    I agree with most of the above. I have found that Syndicates are mainly, smaller in member numbers, mostly close friends, family etc,etc., and operate just a single water. I do know of one local syndicate thats has a couple of waters and a long waiting list.

    Being a member of a club, and a couple of single waters, I am also in a consortium of clubs that run a few waters between them. The reason for this is simple, the price of the lease on the waters, one club couldn't afford them.

    It works very well, keeps the waters open to anglers. The clubs make up the rules between them, and all the clubs members take turns in work party's. This gives the clubs additional waters to fish, and helps keep down the cost of membership to the consortium.

    The single waters i fish are not syndicate. You buy your yearly permit, you have a date to renew the following year, if you don't renew, your ticket goes out on a first come first served basis. No waiting list. The waters are run by the land owners, and members do a work party with the landowners groundsman.
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