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  1. #31
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    Default Re: It seems apparent .

    Surely I can't be alone in recognising that age ''or infirmity'' dictates the absence of anglers on some of our watercourses. Especially those with difficult floodbanks, exemplified by many such waters in the Fenlands. Many anglers of a certain age who in their formative years enjoyed and revelled in such places, today they view them with trepidation. And not surprisingly will choose to frequent commercial waters. Many of the above posts testify to this, the question ''is'', given the option would a commercial fishery be their first choice, I think not.

    I have to say having no experience of commercials my opinion may be biased, as I have always held a preference for moving water and still do. Even though my approach has to be undertaken with great care nowadays.

  2. #32
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    Default Re: It seems apparent .

    Boston being the northern limit of the fens (I think) what about the drains further up within easy reach of say 1.5 hours travel of Leeds?

    Too late to organise this year, but next year I'm looking to catch a zander. Its on my bucket list so any info of where to target them northerly on day ticket/free stretches would be very welcome.

    Thanks in advance.

  3. #33

    Default Re: It seems apparent .

    With a couple of limiting conditions, and getting older too, of course, I can relate to what you're saying. But I'm not giving up rivers in favour of commercials. There's an in-between option, and I search out stretches of river where you can park on or near the bank, the access is not too challenging and the pegs are either stepped and platformed or naturally manageable. A flat walk of a couple of hundred yards can be tackled, on a good day, with a specially small lightweight box, minimal gear and a trolley.

    It can all be a bit of a pain, involving a lot of thought about where to go when, a fair bit of driving and exploring, and buying several club cards where each has only one suitable stretch. Alongside this I have a small set of accessible “natural” or traditional lakes I can go to. If all else fails, there is the canal.

    I'm quite sure my catches would be bigger and the whole experience more convenient if I could enjoy the commercial experience more, or liked the ones in the area more than I do. I'm often frustrated by having to calculate and adjust what can be managed on a given day. But try as I might, (and I've fished a fair few) I've been unable to warm to the bare landscapes, the claustrophobic scale, the minimal space allotted, the “steroidal” techniques, the lack of bankside etiquette, the prominence of car parks, cafes, toilet blocks, chalets......

    I suppose I should be careful – I may have to get to like them sometime. But for now, I'd rather put in the effort to find places I enjoy, even though the horizon has got a bit nearer.

  4. #34
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    Default Re: It seems apparent .

    All my waters are on club cards bar one which is also a day ticket! I am sure I would catch more at a commercial but they do not appeal notwithstanding. That may change however as I deteriorate! I enjoy the tranquility and natural surroundings of most of them even if the fishing can be hard and do not feel comfortable cheek by jowl with dozens of others!

    I tried a few commercials when I started out but haven't been back since!

  5. #35
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    Default Re: It seems apparent .

    There's no doubt that age and/or infirmity plays some part in the rise of the commercial. I can't really blame anyone, regardless of age or infirmity, going down the path of least resistance, if that's what they want. I occasionally visit commies now. I've little doubt the frequency of those visits will increase as I get older.

    However, I don't believe that the lack of numbers, on venues requiring a decent walk, can be blamed entirely on issues of age and infirmity. It certainly doesn't explain the lack of teens and adults less than 40ish.

    I know that, as a kid, my only hope of fishing was by joining the local club. It was a real treat to go to a day ticket water that was likely to cost £1-5. I simply would not have been able to fish a fraction as much as I did if I'd had to rely on day ticket waters to fish. Now it seems that no one, including kids, bats an eyelid at paying £5-10+ for a day ticket or £20-25+ for a 24 hour session.

    I know plenty of day ticket venue regulars that balk at the costs involved in joining syndicates. The reality is that going less than once a week to a commie can easily surpass the expense of many syndicates. The difference in a club or a syndicate is that you have to pay up front. I wonder whether it's the way that many people live that sees them preferring to pay more in dribs and drabs than less in single lumps up front. It also means that not going doesn't matter in the least, you've lost nothing by staying at home.

  6. #36

    Default Re: It seems apparent .

    Lots of opinions here and most are correct to one degree or another. 2 things that spring to my mind, firstly human nature. Why go to the hardship of natural waters when you can go to a commercial, get your bait breakfast and fishing all at the same time and most likely catch a load of fish. There will always be those that want to step outside the box but most people just don't. 20 years ago you HAD to as there wasn't any other option, now you have so much choice its a no brainer for most. Secondly there aren't so many humble pleasure anglers like there used to be. Nowadays everyone wants a label that has a modern image attached to it. They want to be a specialist or a carp angler or whatever but being a pleasure angler just doesn't seem cool anymore. I would say that is probably apparent for most people under 40. (Not all though of course)

  7. #37
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    Default Re: It seems apparent .

    [QUOTE=robcourt82;1444770 2 things that spring to my mind, firstly human nature. Why go to the hardship of natural waters when you can go to a commercial, get your bait breakfast and fishing all at the same time and most likely catch a load of fish. [/QUOTE]

    Yes Rob, that brings to mind a conversation whilst on this years trip to the Swale. This has got to be one of the most attractive barbel waters going and I have a few days camping up there to visit it.

    Whilst there my curiosity drove me to visit a commie on route back to camp. I mentioned where I was fishing to an angler there and he in quite forthright Yorkshire manner informed me I was barking. I could be sitting on a comfortable bank with plenty of easy fish in front of me instead.
    He was not much more than half my age I guess.

  8. #38
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    Default Re: It seems apparent .

    Quote Originally Posted by laguna View Post
    Boston being the northern limit of the fens (I think) what about the drains further up within easy reach of say 1.5 hours travel of Leeds?

    Too late to organise this year, but next year I'm looking to catch a zander. Its on my bucket list so any info of where to target them northerly on day ticket/free stretches would be very welcome.

    Thanks in advance.
    Laguna, PM on way.

  9. #39
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    Default Re: It seems apparent .

    The other thing now is that it appears that the majority of anglers are now carp fishers. Be that commercial match type fisheries, day ticket carp lakes or club waters. Anyone joining the clubs now just wants to how big are the carp. The match league I fished is now based around commercial carp waters we did try winter silver fish matches but no one was interested.
    So unless there are big easy to catch carp in these out of the way places no one will fish them.

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