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    Default For the introduction of non-lethal means of control of the Otter


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    Default Re: For the introduction of non-lethal means of control of the Otter

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    Let me kick off by stating that I would far rather have never seen the reintroduction of the Otter into our rivers without firstly having done a lot of research in cooperation with the relative angling bodies and clubs

    That said, and understood, I have more than a little difficulty with this petition for the basic reason that:

    We already have non lethal methods available to us.

    There are even grants available to erect otter-proof fencing and there is a licence available to remove and relocate otter who persistently attack a venue.

    Furthermore, I think this is a dangerous move and one that could easily set anglers on a collision course with the general public who only see a furry little critter that they think is "cute" and it could backfire splendidly.

    For those reasons I'll not be signing the petition I'm afraid.

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    Default Re: For the introduction of non-lethal means of control of the Otter

    Well I have signed it.

    The none lethal methods already available to anglers are nothing more than a joke, a fishery needs to be decimated by otters before any permission is given for the animals to be trapped and moved elsewhere . That solves nothing it merely moves the problem onto somewhere else.

    Otter fencing grants? how can the rivers where the otter has destroyed the fishing be fenced? yes I am aware that somerivers have and indeed do support a population of otters and have done for many years.

    Perhaps if through this campaign the public were made more aware of the damage done to all riverine creatures they will slowly come to realise that its not just fish that are suffering but other protected creatures as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thecrow View Post
    Well I have signed it.

    The none lethal methods already available to anglers are nothing more than a joke, a fishery needs to be decimated by otters before any permission is given for the animals to be trapped and moved elsewhere . That solves nothing it merely moves the problem onto somewhere else.

    Otter fencing grants? how can the rivers where the otter has destroyed the fishing be fenced? yes I am aware that somerivers have and indeed do support a population of otters and have done for many years.

    Perhaps if through this campaign the public were made more aware of the damage done to all riverine creatures they will slowly come to realise that its not just fish that are suffering but other protected creatures as well.
    non lethal is a joke because when and if they get moved there are others waiting to take their place
    hit them with a .243 and the problem is solved
    my son and I have video footage of the "nice little fury animals" wiping out 150 ducks on our shoot , no one gives a rats ar5e
    I know for a fact they have taken new born lambs but as yet have not got video evidence to support my claim
    I also have footage of otters sharing a badger sett
    there are too many to just shuffle around the country
    a more permanent means of control and rehabilitation is needed

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    Parts of my "home" river, the Dorset Stour, have been ravaged and decimated by Otters.

    But, in that form, the petition will certainly not have my signature. I would far rather support The Predation Action Group and their more measured and politically savvy methods of finding a solution to one of UK angling's major issues.

    As recently as November 2017 The Barbel Society declared their support for the actions and direction of the PAG. They now appear to have changed their minds.

    The following is part of a very recent FB post from Tim Paisley (recent Chairman of PAG) which sets out the direction and aims of the group.

    "After many years of soul-searching late last year the seasoned campaigners on the PAG board agreed to harden their stance and seek the right to the lethal control of otters in extreme individual circumstances which warrant such a measure (farmer's rights).

    Such a right is years away, if it ever happens, but no can can argue against the fact that predation is having a serious impact on the ecology, the rural economy, and that our fisheries are suffering just as seriously as other areas of the ecology which are being impacted.

    Otters are just part of the problem, but a serious one for carp and specialist anglers, riparian owners, landowners, fish farmers and day ticket and syndicate waters."


    and

    "..meeting between the PAG and some of the specimen organisations, and groups in Northampton last November following an approach from the Barbel Society declaring their (as it turns out, possibly unofficial) support for the PAG. As a result of the meeting it was hoped there would be some sort of unification of specialist anglers behind the efforts of the PAG for added strength."

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    Default Re: For the introduction of non-lethal means of control of the Otter

    I won't be signing it EVER! These People would be dangerous if they had a brain to think with I'm a celeb angler so I must be right..... Err no you are not!

    The Wildlife groups will EAT angling alive and shi* them out as scat!

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    I signed it even though I don't agree with it and its not well worded or possibly even thought out. as an angler I don't want to see otters on my river because I know what they do and that's not good for my fishing.

    however I do like to see them...and would not want to cause them any harm.

    we are where we are with them and there's no going back but if this petition highlights anything in anyway the problems we have on our rivers to anyone that may be able to help than that's a good thing.

    I met Graham Scholey(MBE for his work with otters) many years ago and had a good chat with him as we walked the river Cherwell which is one of the rivers named in the petition and one of the first rivers to be impacted heavily by the returning otters and he said anglers will have to get used to fewer larger fish as that is the natural order not what anglers were used to before and basically anglers need to ensure there rivers are well looked after...which ultimately there not.

    fortunately I like to fish for all species and in truth the otter petition is about barbel and carp as the Cherwell still has plenty of chub, roach, dace and bream with the odd barbel I'm ok with it even if Lawrence Breakspeare(barbel society)wants to re-ash old ill informed news.

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    Default Re: For the introduction of non-lethal means of control of the Otter

    I have signed it.

    What a strange group we are for years we say something must be done about fish predators.
    Then when someone puts forward an idea those same people are against it.
    Not being the most intelligent man alive can someone please explain what is wrong with the wording on the petition?
    Incidentally animal welfare and other groups are already eating us alive.

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    Sadly, it’s not the poor old otters fault for the lack of fish in our rivers, and lakes.

    There should be enough to go around so wild creatures can thrive in a natural environment. Fishing waters that hold precious carp stocks, should be able to get grants for fencing in my humble view. If I see an otter these days while fishing I have very mixed emotion, but I would never sign the death of any wild creature just to satisfy my own pleasure.

    Rich.

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    Default Re: For the introduction of non-lethal means of control of the Otter

    Quote Originally Posted by dicky123 View Post
    Sadly, it’s not the poor old otters fault for the lack of fish in our rivers, and lakes.

    There should be enough to go around so wild creatures can thrive in a natural environment. Fishing waters that hold precious carp stocks, should be able to get grants for fencing in my humble view. If I see an otter these days while fishing I have very mixed emotion, but I would never sign the death of any wild creature just to satisfy my own pleasure.

    Rich.

    Its not asking for the death of otters its asking for none lethal means of control.
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