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    Default barbless hooks v barb hooks

    when will we realise that barbless hooks are doing more damage to fish than a micro barbed hook i have fishing a lot of matches on commis this season and the mouths on almost all of the fish caught are very bad

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    Default Re: barbless hooks v barb hooks

    I don't need to realise, I don't use barbless hooks, as you say they destroy the fishes mouths.
    I don't like large barbs either but even they're better than barbless so long as the angler using them is half competent!
    As you say a micro barbed hook is the best option by a cou try mile.
    A lot of people use far to large a hook also, and a large barbless hook will leave on hell of an underground/hidden hole in the fishs flesh!

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    Default Re: barbless hooks v barb hooks

    Quote Originally Posted by tigger View Post
    I don't need to realise, I don't use barbless hooks, as you say they destroy the fishes mouths.
    I don't like large barbs either but even they're better than barbless so long as the angler using them is half competent!
    As you say a micro barbed hook is the best option by a cou try mile.
    A lot of people use far to large a hook also, and a large barbless hook will leave on hell of an underground/hidden hole in the fishs flesh!
    Migod...I actually agree with you, Ian. Now there's a thing.

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    Default Re: barbless hooks v barb hooks

    I'll use whatever is the more appropriate, or whatever I'm required to by local rules. I've long held the belief that whether a hooked is barbed or barbless is of minor significance compared to whether the angler using them knows his/her backside from their elbow. I've seen plenty of anglers that don't carry any form of disgorger. I've seen plenty of anglers that obviously don't know how to unhook a fish properly, barbed or not, disgorger or not. The only thing I will concede to barbless, is that the same individual using barbless should cause less damage to a fish when unhooking.

    Sadly, there are an awful lot of utter numpties that don't fish often enough to come close to being competent. These plonkers, that have no idea how to hook a fish, are responsible for quite a bit of damage. I've seen it on a few occasions now where "anglers" think that simply pulling on a hook/hooklink is an appropriate way to unhook a fish. A practiced angler can have a barbed hook whipped out, with minimal damage caused, in the fraction of the time, than it takes some folks.

    It's very similar to the lowest common denominator factor that has seen a few rivers/river sections closed to fishing. Sensible competent anglers rarely have any problems. Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to drag everyone up to a decent standard. Far easier just to ban things. Just about every ban you care to mention is down to the lowest common denominator factor. Sensible people, with a decent standard of angling competence, rarely need rules to maintain a fishery and the fish in it.

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    Default Re: barbless hooks v barb hooks

    I'm happy using either tbh....dependant on rules etc though I do prefer a micro barb if I'm fishing for roach or particularly grayling both of which are expert hook spitters. The bigger the hook the less I like a barb though I couldn't tell you why...habit I guess, nothing to do with incidence of hook pulls.

    I'm more fussy about pattern and quality of hook. Some barbed patterns I've looked at seem to have huge barbs to me but that could simply be that I'm not used to using them very much.

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    Default Re: barbless hooks v barb hooks

    I have to use barbless on my club waters, so I use barbless everywhere I fish. Predator tackle I crush the barbs as it seems everything comes barbed.

    As Sam has put a lot of it will come down to competence of the individual. I do wonder when I see damaged mouths whether that’s over fished or poor angling

    I’d really like to see some scientific evidence that barbless cause more damage than barbed.

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    Default Re: barbless hooks v barb hooks

    Unless the rules state otherwise I never use barbless hooks.
    The problem on commercials is that they like to think they are doing it on fish welfare grounds but on many the same fish are recaught and recaught on a daily basis. So whether or not you use barbed or brabless the fish mouth will be damaged.
    Also when I fished matches on commercials carp ponds they were fish races, Drag the fish in on strong tackle and get bait back in the water as quickly as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rich66 View Post
    I have to use barbless on my club waters, so I use barbless everywhere I fish. Predator tackle I crush the barbs as it seems everything comes barbed.

    As Sam has put a lot of it will come down to competence of the individual. I do wonder when I see damaged mouths whether that’s over fished or poor angling

    I’d really like to see some scientific evidence that barbless cause more damage than barbed.
    Imo having had both of them pulled very hard into my hands was a good enough scientific experiment for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigger View Post
    Imo having had both of them pulled very hard into my hands was a good enough scientific experiment for me.
    Having had similar experiences, even lip hooked myself once. I’d go for barbless anytime

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    Another thing that barbless hooks sometimes do is go right round on themselves and actually come out of the fishs mouth copletely and you have to cut the hook off or try and thread the shank back through the huge hole made by the hook. I have witnessed this myself on a number of occassions.

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