Mini Species Challenge

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I was thinking you may have already, or at least nudged it! If i were you, i'd have a day here and there for them and see what happens.
Not sure how you'd specimen fish for gudgeon?
Bivvy, 3 superlight float rods on alarms, 10 gram leads with 22 hooks on a bolt rig?
I think id be prouder of holding the Gudgeon record than any other. Everyone knows where big carp, barbel etc are, gudjin are more elusive!

Best way of getting big gudgeon is to fish a water where you know they grow large and just have fun catching everything that comes along. You know your set up is good for say barbel and other fish if you're getting gudgeon and you actually don't need small hooks, gudgeon have a much bigger mouth than for example barbel of the same size. Been getting a few on ponds already on 10mm bread punch on a size 12, come the river season i'll wait till winter when the bigger ones are more accessible, and save up for a set of digital scales and probably be disappointed when they 'only' go 4oz :D
 

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The gudgeon I posted a pic of on the HDYGO thread was a real clonker but I didn't weigh it as my scales are ok to 8oz either way and I'm not claiming records.
 

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Ok Here's a quick recap of the fish so far, entrants are from this season only (From April 2019 onwards) so If I've included some from yesteryear or left anyone out give me a shout and I'll edit this post. Remember they can't have a UK record bigger than 1lb and it's probably best if we limit this to just UK species.

Page number and description is just for a guide as on some browsers this may vary

Bullhead (Millers Thumb) Neil1970 page 2
Ruffe (Lure caught) Neil1970 page 2
Gudgeon (Lure caught) Neil1970 page 2
Gudgeon (Bread chomper) theartist page 2

Gudgeon (Donald Trump Lookalike) Rich66 page 3
Gudgeon (Close up) Mikench page 3
Long Spined Sea Scorpion (Underside) The Runner Page 3

Gudgeon (on leg) Peter Crabtree page 4
Long Spined Sea Scorpion (Swanage) Neil1970 page 4

With the river season starting soon I reckon we could add a few more weird and wonderful species before the end of the year, when we will do a vote based on the photos :thumbs:
 
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Sorry please ignore this post
 
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Interesting fish, where and how did you catch it?
 

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I caught it from a Gravel pit that I was Tench fishing (see HDYGO thread). While I was sitting there I noticed a couple of them hunting micro fry in the shallow water round my rod rests. They are are aggressive little fellows and very territorial.

At first I thought they were tiny black bass but looking closer I realized what they were and decided to try and catch one for this thread. I jiggled a maggot up and down in front of them and they nabbed it.
 
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Bullhead was mine I think?

Only including this year's fish as it's a 'Challenge' till the end of the season as per the original post, have left out the yesteryear ones but could do an all time 'best of' if they keep coming. I've updated the second post to make things clearer.

Also a reminder to others that it's UK species only :thumbs:
 

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Ah, I see you have edited it to say UK waters only rather than just UK species.

Looks like my Pumpkinseed does not count then so I'll remove it.

...and there was me thinking it was just a bit of fun.
 

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Ah, I see you have edited it to say UK waters only rather than just UK species.

Looks like my Pumpkinseed does not count then so I'll remove it.

...and there was me thinking it was just a bit of fun.

It was supposed to be a bit of fun yeah, thought your pumpkinseed was UK caught? You didn't mention it was from abroad at the time, thought it was a good addition to the list to be honest at the time as they are quite rare in the uk.

The whole idea was to promote the uk species that are perhaps undervalued and can be caught by anyone
 

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I dont see how the location changes anything if its the same species but ok fair enough.
 
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Caught this today from the GUC

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Gudgeon (Donald Trump Lookalike)

Didn't know fish could dye their scales or look that ugly. Slimy yes.

Seriously, there are hundreds of soft plastic designs when rigged on light jigs that catch almost all freshwater species. Today my partner and I fished in 85 degree water and caught 51 fish in four hours: perch, mostly crappie and sunfish and a few bass - all on light jigs and soft plastic lures in 6-7'.
 

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Here we have the new British record Spiney Loach. Only joking. I am not sure if this qualifies as a catch for the mini species challenge as it wasn't actually hooked. It was hanging on the end of a piece of worm stuffed in its tiny mouth. It was landed after a long and arduous fight.

 

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Some possible pointers here:

MINI HUNTERS

You may not be aware, but there is a group of dedicated anglers who are determined to reverse the headlong trend in fishing that bigger is better. You know the kind of thing, longer casts, ever-lengthening poles, and heavier fish. Here at last is a specimen group that specialises in miniaturisation in both tackle and their preferred quarry. They are true exponents of the ‘Less is More’ school of thinking, but of course, as in all things angling, there is polarisation between high tech and traditional.

I should point out that the quarry here are genuinely small species of fish, as opposed to small fish of a certain species. We are talking minnow, stickleback (three and ten spined, both have their fervent supporters) loach, and bullhead. Gudgeon are unfortunately excluded, although they are frequently caught when after other species, when finally brought into the bank they are welcomed much the same way as carp anglers greet the site of a boilie munching bream making its way to the landing net.

These high tech ‘Mini-Hunters’ are pushing tackle companies to produce far less cumbersome equipment to allow a far more sporting contest when hauling out these mini monsters. Rod test curves are measured in ounces as opposed to pounds with a good all-round rod being rated at 1.45 oz. Rod lengths are also dramatically reduced, with one-piece, one metre long weapons being the norm.

Rod ring manufacturers had to rise to the challenge of downsizing and produce new half leg rings with tiny internal diameters and made of aircraft grade titanium alloys. All over the country sewing baskets were being raided for those devices that girlies use for threading needles, just the job for putting line through these miniscule rod rings.

Although this technological advance wasn’t a patch on the massive investment that had to be put in by the makers of reels. The new 01/2 0 size Baitcrawler reels are just de rigueur on the banks of the streams and ponds.

Terminal tackle has been dramatically scaled down; line diameter and breaking strains are dropping almost by the day. Hooks sizes plummeted to 46 and below; sales of magnifying glasses soared as a consequence. Matchstick and toothpick floats were all the rage at the start, until some bright spark took a bristle float, threw the float away and just used the bristle. This rig is so sensitive you have to consult a barometer and factor the BP into the shot loading. Mouse droppings being the favoured weight, not lead in the shape of, but actual mouse droppings.

Groundbait tends to all be liquid as even cloud with the consistency of thin gruel tends to overfeed. Groundbait concentrations are now stated in parts per million, with 10-15 used as a good starting point. Baits themselves have almost standardised on the hair-rigged, popped-up double ants’ egg. These are mostly commercially produced, as the electron microscope required to mount baits on the hair is only available to the most ardent micro-fishing fanatic. Those who don’t want to use this hi-tech bait technology stick with the traditional crude but effective joker tail.

When it comes to concealment, camou gear is not enough on its own. Bulk is the enemy, no good trying to creep up on the little darlings if you are blotting out the sun, doing a passable impression of an eclipse as you pass along the bank. Those who weigh seven stone wringing wet are at a positive advantage at this particular branch of our sport.

The traditionalist approach to micro fishing requires cane, of course. Nothing as involved as split cane, oh no. Whole cane is the order of the day, with a very specific length/internal diameter combination. The internal diameter needs to allow the interference fit of the carefully extruded, cylindrically sectioned support of the fish location/capture and retaining system, which is carefully stretched over it. Some are oval, some are round, and both have their supporters. Not as easily available as they once were, if you are lucky they can still be found in the back of a few newsagents.

To complete this outfit a fish retention/inspection chamber is required. Usually made of a clear silica based material, and there are models available from both the Stewart and Edinburgh crystal companies that can be pressed into service but true traditionalists usually prefer Robertson’s (flavour not important) The one compulsory factor, however is that the transportation harness must be made out of hairy string.

And this is where the debate rages. The traditionalists claim their method is the original, time-honoured and ‘proper’ way of catching micro-species. The high-tech boys claim that theirs is the least damaging to the fishes’ habitat, as it does not involve scooping out great handfuls of weed and slime in order to possibly extract a specimen, and dumping said mess in a jam jar.

In any event, no matter which of the methods is used to catch a mini specimen, the person you have to feel sorry for is the taxidermist…
 
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