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    Default North Sea Cod back on the danger list.

    Reading a little report in the I Paper yesterday The Marine Conservation Society (MSC), North Sea Cod are back on the "fish to avoid" list after being taken off 5 years ago because over fishing has left stocks at critical levels again. They have been given a red rating and we are being urged to buy cod sourced from elsewhere. I remember the North Sea cod bonanza reported 5 years ago and immediately the EU upped the quotas and I said it was too soon, too much back then.

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    Default Re: North Sea Cod back on the danger list.

    This is disappointing news but prompts many questions about current practices, and the levels of control (or lack of them) on fishing boats.

    It is concerning that less than 1% of uk boats have any onboard monitoring and that quotas (Total allowable catches TAC's) are set only every two years.

    On the positive side once TAC's exceed the set limits then the EU have the ability to close a fishing ground on their own volition if within the EU28's boundaries or in association with a third party country in other cases.

    Regarding quotas in general I would like to see the Commission ban the sale of quotas between countries in an effort to maintain stocks on a national basis.

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    Has the Dutch (under a Lithuanian flag) trawler fishing in the English Channel got anything to do with it?

    Is the Baltic devoid of fish? Can't help but think, Baltic Sea - North Sea - English Channel?

    The report states that most of the fish caught, go to Africa - it doesn't say which parts - so why not fish the African coast?

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    Default Re: North Sea Cod back on the danger list.

    Quote Originally Posted by iannate View Post
    Has the Dutch (under a Lithuanian flag) trawler fishing in the English Channel got anything to do with it?

    Is the Baltic devoid of fish? Can't help but think, Baltic Sea - North Sea - English Channel?

    The report states that most of the fish caught, go to Africa - it doesn't say which parts - so why not fish the African coast?
    It’s I believe the same ship the Australians wouldn’t let in their waters and who’d blame them!

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    I looked this ship up and it's listed as both a trawler and a factory ship, if it’s a trawler how can they claim to only catch mid water fish, trawling is a bottom method mainly and if it's also used as a factory ship, it takes anything off smaller boats plying their trade in the sea around it; it's a bit confusing. At the end of the day it’s the we do no wrong, its everyone else syndrome. The question is as always how do we monitor it all in a fair and sustainable way that works for us and the fish.

    I dont disagree with anything you said Peter, but it doesn't change the fact, they have to get the quota's right in the first place. Regardles of who, how often, where and the laws etc, if they are not set right they do not work and in the case of the North Sea Cod I think it was 15% or 18% they upped them 5 years ago, far too much and far too soon, I thought so at the time and not with pleasure it looks like I was right.
    A one year or even less should improve them but I don't have a lot faith in the people who set them. I think its too difficult a thing to get right anyway, two yearly or yearly for so many areas and so many species although it's better than none at all.
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    Default Re: North Sea Cod back on the danger list.

    Any attempt at forecasting fishery stocks is at best a SWAG, being a Scientific Wild Arsed Guess . . . . and rapid climate changes are equally as important as much as over fishing, and we are seeing many new species of fish turning up in the North Sea in the last few years . . . and the boats that catch them are selling then in Europe.


    As for Inspection, that is as difficult as is the protection of uk's fishing vessels.

    The uk have just 4 river class fishery protection vessels, and one of those is on permanent station in the Falklands . . . . even if and when supported by Nimrod aircraft there are simply not enough to cover the thousands of square miles of uk waters.

    Politicians of all colours can only make consolatory noises but in practice nothing practical is really possible with such a paucity of floating resources.

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    Default Re: North Sea Cod back on the danger list.

    I thought the Fat Fraud ( or one of his toady mates) had promised to look after the UK Fishing fleet post Brexit ? Not if it costs money and the votes have been counted methinks.

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    Default Re: North Sea Cod back on the danger list.

    Quote Originally Posted by S-Kippy View Post
    I thought the Fat Fraud ( or one of his toady mates) had promised to look after the UK Fishing fleet post Brexit ? Not if it costs money and the votes have been counted methinks.
    His once best mate, yep the the toady one, was down here promising all sorts of gold pieces to our local fishing fleet pre the referendum, he's shut up now! generally they tell any audience whatever they want to hear, get the votes and then ****** off.
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    Default Re: North Sea Cod back on the danger list.

    Quote Originally Posted by markg View Post
    His once best mate, yep the the toady one, was down here promising all sorts of gold pieces to our local fishing fleet pre the referendum, he's shut up now! generally they tell any audience whatever they want to hear, get the votes and then ****** off.
    Who'd have thought, eh ? Not an eggcupful of integrity among the lot of them. I wouldn't have the bare faced cheek to dish up some of the colossal whoppers that are getting churned out.

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    Default Re: North Sea Cod back on the danger list.

    Quote Originally Posted by S-Kippy View Post
    Who'd have thought, eh ? Not an eggcupful of integrity among the lot of them. I wouldn't have the bare faced cheek to dish up some of the colossal whoppers that are getting churned out.
    It would help if they got fined for every false claim or a month in the tower dungeon on the wrack
    It will be a long time before the fishing is sorting out, delayed to 2021 I believe and it will get delayed further and then I suspect it will be traded off anyway, at least in part. So, all those promises will be null and void if I am right and giant Lithuanian Trawlers will be here for a long time yet.
    I am not a jingoist or anti-EU believe it or not but it was a lot easier to manage when we had ownership of our waters, our own fishing fleet to cope with,a better understanding of the species around our coast and whats needed to protect it all.
    Has anyone got a proper take of it all anymore, when a giant Lithuanian trawler can come into close to our shores and it would appear to catch what they want, thats just not any kind of management or species control in my opinion.
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