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    Default Ever fallen out with the hooks you use.

    From paste to pellet to caster I have a yearning to change the hooks I've been using.
    I for a long while have been using either Kamasan B611s, B911 or Tubertini 808 for caster and maggot.

    Unhappy with the paste hook I used which didn't seem to be quite right, the wire appeared too thick for me. They were Drennan specialist, strong but very heavy wire.
    Pellet hooks were Kamasan 911 extra strong, OK with the wide gape but I prefer a round bend which they aren't.
    OK for caster but I still have every confidence in a round bend.

    Over the last couple of months I been thinking of changing the hooks I use, the more into thinking of a change, the more I grew to dislike Kamasan even more. Strange I know, Kamasan have a decent following, I can't say I can remember any problems.
    I will probably stay with Tubertini for silver fishing but for carp in particular I'm changing to Gamakatsu Power Carp.
    Anyone else felt the urge to change.
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    Default Re: Ever fallen out with the hooks you use.

    The short answer is no, not as such. I've tried hooks that I've not got on with in the longer term. I've seen hooks change slightly and me not be happy with the changes. I've seen more than the odd hook discontinued. Once in a while I've seen bad batches or quality reductions. Occasionally, I've found a new hook of similar pattern and characteristics, to a long term favourite, that has gone on to usurp that favourite.

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    Default Re: Ever fallen out with the hooks you use.

    In my carp fishing days, for soft pellet or paste these hooks were very reliable. Cheap too ...

    https://www.fishingtackleandbait.co....=UnitedKingdom

    Not tried the power carp version as the above never let me down.
    I also found the Drennan equivalent too heavy gauge.

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    Default Re: Ever fallen out with the hooks you use.

    Funny this topic came up, for the second time ever I’ve had a hook open up on me this afternoon. Pretty sure it was a Kamasan. The fish was a ghost carp probably around 6lb. I had it happen a few weeks ago too that was a B911 hook length.
    Perhaps I just need a heavier gauge hook.

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    Default Re: Ever fallen out with the hooks you use.

    Quote Originally Posted by rich66 View Post
    Funny this topic came up, for the second time ever I’ve had a hook open up on me this afternoon. Pretty sure it was a Kamasan. The fish was a ghost carp probably around 6lb. I had it happen a few weeks ago too that was a B911 hook length.
    Perhaps I just need a heavier gauge hook.
    I have not had a hook open up on a legitimately mouth hooked fish. I have had them open up when foul hooked and the hook being pulled in a wrong angle.

    I would qualify this by saying I have just remembered an exception. That where I used ultra fine silver fish hooks to deliberately open up when hooking errant carp.

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    I've been using kamasan or Drennan hooks for a long while, I sometimes wonder if I'm missing out on a better product as I'm unwilling to try something else but then I'm very happy with them. Thinking about it I only really use three patterns of hook although one is now discontinued so looks like I'll be changing at least one pattern after all.

    In my carp fishing days I was a big fan of Korda hooks until I bought several packs of wide gapes in which 8 out of ten where blunt, the odd blunt hook was par for the course but 80% of the hook being blunt seemed a little on the high side. I swapped onto ESP hooks and was much happier.

    When it comes to lure fishing for pike I use VMC hooks, they're blunt out the pack but sharpen very easily, more importantly they're fine in the wire so penetrate very easily. Everything is a trade off.

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    Default Re: Ever fallen out with the hooks you use.

    Quote Originally Posted by john step View Post
    I have not had a hook open up on a legitimately mouth hooked fish. I have had them open up when foul hooked and the hook being pulled in a wrong angle.

    I would qualify this by saying I have just remembered an exception. That where I used ultra fine silver fish hooks to deliberately open up when hooking errant carp.
    Interesting John, I’m pretty sure the one I had today was lip hooked, I’d almost got it to the net when it slipped off. However until you’ve got it on the bank you can never be 100% sure, and certainly a foul hooked fish is a lot harder to control and exerts more force than a properly hooked one of the same size.

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    Default Re: Ever fallen out with the hooks you use.

    Sam's said that some models have been discontinued. Korum cs series are a favourite with me, they too have for some reason have been discontinued. Luckily I have around 100 tied in an hook wallet.
    Gamakatsu are not the cheapest hook but that's not really a consideration, it's the hook I've settled on for it's round bend and off set point.
    I reckon that 911s in sizes 14s and 16s do spring open under pressure, the 911 extra strong don't seem to.

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    Default Re: Ever fallen out with the hooks you use.

    Quote Originally Posted by rich66 View Post
    Interesting John, I’m pretty sure the one I had today was lip hooked, I’d almost got it to the net when it slipped off. However until you’ve got it on the bank you can never be 100% sure, and certainly a foul hooked fish is a lot harder to control and exerts more force than a properly hooked one of the same size.
    Rich, I think the reason that foul hookers bend out is that I think the hook often does not penetrate fully and that extra pressure you mentioned is upon the hook at a funny angle. Ie not at the centre of the bend.

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    I've stopped using B520's and B611's and instead use B560's and B711's.

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