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    Quote Originally Posted by steve2 View Post
    There are nearly 40 million cars and vans and lorries on UK roads and flights in and out of airports every few minutes how do we convince people to change to cleaner ways.
    I grew up with cleaner air but I am now surrounded by some of the UK worst roads pumping out pollution, planes overhead every few minutes but I can't be convinced to change.
    I couldn’t convince you or anyone, it’s not my aim and I don’t know enough about motoring or electric cars to put the argument forward anyway. I drove for 35 years and loved it but enough is enough, time for quiet emission free cars and I think that will become the norm one day. The 150-250 range wouldn’t bother me, fishing/shopping trips, and a few trips to London a year. But for 500 mile trips obviously not viable however, maybe some sort of relay service for long trips will be available one day when this takes hold.
    I would just have loved to have known what it was like to live in a world with all electric cars. I can imagine the quiet and not breathing in traffic fumes all day only in my mind. But I hope that’s a reality for future generations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markg View Post
    I would just have loved to have known what it was like to live in a world with all electric cars. I can imagine the quiet and not breathing in traffic fumes all day only in my mind. But I hope that’s a reality for future generations.
    Any body living in this country 70 years ago had a more or less car free life. We made use of cycles and public transport and didn't travel far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve2 View Post
    Any body living in this country 70 years ago had a more or less car free life. We made use of cycles and public transport and didn't travel far.
    Would have been a lot nicer I think, Just before my time. There was a lot less traffic in my youth but not where I grew up, 5 miles from Heathrow on the A4 and planes skimming the rooftops as well. And that traffic was 24 hours a day to Heathrow, my bedroom was right out side the road, I must be a miracle of human survival given the amount of **** in me.
    But that's the point, some don't survive and people have had enough and I don't blame them.

    I do acknowledge Peter's point, we have all benefited from petroleum but I still think enough is enough and the time has come to change.
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    When someone invents an electric car that can get me from Merseyside to Speyside (370 miles) on one charge, and costs as much as my Golf diesel, I’ll buy one. Until then I’ll carry on being a polluter and do my ‘environmental bit’ in other spheres.

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    Forgetting the emissions advantage I explained to my wife that changing her car to an electric vehicle would definitely save several hundred pounds a year in car tax and petrolbut it would take a lifetime to get your money back from swapping vehicles. She runs out of petrol on a regular basis so an electric vehicle is a no no. I reckon electric vehicles will be charged the same ,if not more, than petrol/diesel cars within 5 years. I say more because the billions lost in petrol tax will have to be found somewhere. I reckon fast charging 10kwh charging points will also be heavily taxed as will the cost of the electricity to run them.

    I remain unconvinced by the long term future of electric cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Keane View Post
    When someone invents an electric car that can get me from Merseyside to Speyside (370 miles) on one charge, and costs as much as my Golf diesel, I’ll buy one. Until then I’ll carry on being a polluter and do my ‘environmental bit’ in other spheres.
    I think they may get round this problem one day where you have a relay service for long journeys as long as they are there and back, you pull in and swap your car for a fully charged one, you swap as many times as you need to. I don't know really, I am just guessing but they will find a way round it one day, we are clever and inventive to get round problems as well as cause them.
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    Not forgetting the emission advantage because that’s the main thing that electric cars are all about. This is it really, are people prepared to accept a different type of motoring with some disadvantages to some for the sake of a cleaner and quieter environment; everyone will want that in the future, not the noisy polluted one I grew up in. Maybe not this generation because they do not want any change but future ones probably will. I am not trying to preach to anyone but a lot of car manufacturers have invested a lot of money in electric, they were going to have to do this anyway one day, the environment issue has just spurred them on and they are aware of what Governments and environmental generations will do to them one day, look at congestion charges and car free zones, that’s just the beginning so, these companies are not going to give up, now,.
    And is that the cost of the whole car or the difference between in cost the petrol one and the electric one Mike. Because that’s more realistic in what people face if it is in recovering any cost..
    You may be right it will become more expensive to what it is now for electric but it has not stopped people buying petrol cars and I am sure it will not stop them buying electric one day. It’s going to be slow, it’s too big a change to happen overnight but it will happen progressively and it will get better in technical ways and convenience, these things normally do, look at petrol cars to what they were once .
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    I agree Mark that the motor car as we know it and use it will change. We need more and reliable train services/ tramways here in the NW with an equivalent of the Oyster card giving a seamless and cheaper way to travel by bus and train. A car in London( I have 2 daughters who have lived there through university and after) is useless and public transport far better despite cost and overcrowding. I personally will not give up my cars( I have got rid of 2) as I need them for fishing and other tasks. I might pollute but I pay all my taxes and try in other ways to save the planet( recycling, walking whenever possible. I drive much less than I did( 15,000 miles a year less) and will do more.

    I'm certain there will be breakthroughs ahead with CO2 or Hydrogen powered cars, planes and trains. I doubt I will see them though in my lifetime.

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    Most of us need a car to go fishing, when I pack up driving I will pack up fishing. I can't remember the last time I saw anyone on public transport with fishing gear.

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    I remember we went everywhere on the bus with all our gear as a kid, big box, rod holdall and bags full to the brim with home-made bait and whatnot. And camping too with all the extras, necessities and the obligatory unnecessary's.... just in case it was ever needed.
    Or even our bikes - as long as it was within a 2 hour ride laden with tents and fishing gear. 'The days'!

    Roy my mate, god rest his soul, once got a rear puncture on the way home from a weeks camping/shooting/fishing trip. He was well ****ed off! But no problem, I simply removed his back wheel and joined my front forks turning two bikes into a tandem. Obviously we couldn't ride the damn thing such as the amount of gear we had between us, but at least we got home safely in time for a jolly good *******ing off our parents.
    Strange init? No matter where we went or for how long we disappeared, beit a day, two days or a week at a time, we always 'copped it' as soon as we walked through the door?

    These electric cars? Great idea nice and clean and all that, and cheap(ish) starting at £15k a pop, but many buyers fail to realise the electricity used to charge the batteries (which themselves are made using petrochemical products) is often still generated by burning fossil fuels - with the associated huge efficiency losses through conversion and distribution.
    As I mentioned earlier, I think generating clean energy and using it at source is where we should be heading - with hydrogen being the cleanest and greenest option of them all. But alas the dirty big conglomerates have little incentive to rush, preferring instead to push the gullible consumer into paying carbon taxes - for the sole benefit of themselves and those they lobby.

    Funny how tomorrows technology is always just within reach isn't it? We just need a bit more research money off the tax payer first, grant money to advance what we already know, just a bit more dosh from early adopters before they realise they've been sold a pup... the just-around-the-corner stepping stone towards clean energy etc.

    The Big Green Carrot phenomena.

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