I think my hero would have to be captain birdseye he caught tons of fishmg:
I bloody ate them all,buuuurp!!!
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I bloody ate them all,buuuurp!!!
A two pound roach possibly could be the equivelent of a 35lb carp or so,a three a forty or more and here we go,if you think that a carp angler can fish a float as well as a decent float angler,good luck with that,likewise a float angler fishing with three to five ounces of lead,using rigs for carp,no of course not,the ongoing relationship with your tackle isnt there,but could a bloke go into a tackle shop and buy tackle for both genres and catch either first trip out,yes they could,consistency is the only real measure of success,it rules out that luck word...
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on a serious note to me the ultimate legend would have to be my dad he taught me how to fish as a kid if he hadnt been a keen fisherman I doubt I would have got into it I can remember the days out at a lake me dad and mum a picnick and he never got the hump when I got tangled up or caught his rod. who knows without his guidance I might never have gone fishing I wish those days were still here
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I agree with what you say here.
My comment wasn't meant to be biased towards carp anglers here as I spend a lot of time fishing for carp myself.
I was just trying to point out Martins all round skill level for targeting different species of fish.
Many anglers are fantastic at what they do in their own fishing but there's only a handful that are just as cabable when it comes to all styles of fishing.
And some of the forgotten art of fishing that you don't see used as much any more like the sliding float on deep waters or even trotting etc.. I myself seem to have fallen victim to this as I tend to pole fish or feeder fish most rivers these days and would be very rusty with the stick float but want to get back into it.
But I'm not saying carp fishing isn't skillful, on the right lakes as you will know there are hours and hours to be spent getting to know the fishes habits, feeding areas etc and sometimes many blank sessions while that learning process takes place.. All angling situations offer there own challenges but the kids coming into fishing do seem to start catching small carp on commercials and then either go into match fishing or go on target catch bigger carp on specimen waters.
I guess it's sometimes the species of fish that can be over looked rather than the methods.
However the commercial fisheries are also important at the same time as some of the canals and rivers aren't safe any more to be fishing alone, commercials are more convenient for older or disabled people and will probably one day be the only option once the predators such as otters and cormorants whipe out the river systems.
I guess it's just a change in angling in general that has its good points as well as its bad points but either way we will still go fishing because we love going fishing no matter where it may be and for what species it may be and its the general love for fishing in general that brings anglers together. As in a day to day normality you walk past another person in the street and don't think anything of it, yet when fishing another angler can walk past and say hi and before you know it you've spent an hour having a great conversation with a complete stranger. that's why I think anglers are some of the friendliest people.
But yeah, your point is correct it does work both ways??
My comment wasn't meant to be biased towards carp anglers here as I spend a lot of time fishing for carp myself.
I was just trying to point out Martins all round skill level for targeting different species of fish.
Many anglers are fantastic at what they do in their own fishing but there's only a handful that are just as cabable when it comes to all styles of fishing.
And some of the forgotten art of fishing that you don't see used as much any more like the sliding float on deep waters or even trotting etc.. I myself seem to have fallen victim to this as I tend to pole fish or feeder fish most rivers these days and would be very rusty with the stick float but want to get back into it.
But I'm not saying carp fishing isn't skillful, on the right lakes as you will know there are hours and hours to be spent getting to know the fishes habits, feeding areas etc and sometimes many blank sessions while that learning process takes place.. All angling situations offer there own challenges but the kids coming into fishing do seem to start catching small carp on commercials and then either go into match fishing or go on target catch bigger carp on specimen waters.
I guess it's sometimes the species of fish that can be over looked rather than the methods.
However the commercial fisheries are also important at the same time as some of the canals and rivers aren't safe any more to be fishing alone, commercials are more convenient for older or disabled people and will probably one day be the only option once the predators such as otters and cormorants whipe out the river systems.
I guess it's just a change in angling in general that has its good points as well as its bad points but either way we will still go fishing because we love going fishing no matter where it may be and for what species it may be and its the general love for fishing in general that brings anglers together. As in a day to day normality you walk past another person in the street and don't think anything of it, yet when fishing another angler can walk past and say hi and before you know it you've spent an hour having a great conversation with a complete stranger. that's why I think anglers are some of the friendliest people.
But yeah, your point is correct it does work both ways??
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I was about to write the same but you’ve summed it up nicely. There are some excellent anglers out there but those that are in the “limelight” are in many cases sponsored by companies like Guru, Korum and Drennan and their articles, videos etc are little more than advertising hoardings at times.
Not just fishing but life in general, whether it be music, sport, theatre or cinema is now so vastly exposed to hundreds of tv channels, social media etc. legends are no longer created and perceived in the same way with the longevity they once enjoyed.
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I'm no carp angler but I love watching Terry Hearne. I think,certainly in carp circles, that's about as close to legend as it gets nowadays. Its a totally different game nowadays though...angling generally not just carp.
Bowler I just do not get. I'd fancy me chances if I had access to some of the waters he gets on. A good angler for sure but legend ? Not imo.
Bowler I just do not get. I'd fancy me chances if I had access to some of the waters he gets on. A good angler for sure but legend ? Not imo.
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What about our Philip? He's a legend, very accomplished and yet he's only 15.
On a serious note , Montgomery was a legend, Christian Barnard was a legend, Mohammed Ali was a legend , Louis Pasteur was a legend Lawrence of Arabia was a legend , Nelson Mandela was a legend. I cannot bring myself to include blokes who go fishing or many other sportsman for that matter as legends. The term legend is overused and abused and should be reserved for people who have changed the world for good taking into account the era in which they lived.
Is the lockdown getting to me ?
On a serious note , Montgomery was a legend, Christian Barnard was a legend, Mohammed Ali was a legend , Louis Pasteur was a legend Lawrence of Arabia was a legend , Nelson Mandela was a legend. I cannot bring myself to include blokes who go fishing or many other sportsman for that matter as legends. The term legend is overused and abused and should be reserved for people who have changed the world for good taking into account the era in which they lived.
Is the lockdown getting to me ?
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I think the angling word placed before legend is the thing,certain anglers are really good to watch,listen,chat to,i would love to chat with Terry Hearn,Ken Giles and have had the pleasure to chat to Ian Heaps,Ivan Marks,Roy Marlow,Billy Makin for long chats and on more than one occasion,honoured in fact as it was a privilege for me.
Whilst my area of personal knowledge is “natural water” match anglers ... I do admire some of the commercial specialists and also some specialist anglers. I received a couple of Martin Bowler’s books as a present and have just started browsing them.
First note is that Peter Drennan rates him as the best he’s seen ... and I know he has seen a few!
Second note, rather amusingly, is that Martin records that his first really successful captures of Great Ouse Barbel came from the upstream peg on (what was then) the Vauxhall AC stretch at Felmersham (Whitty will remember, access from the Red Barn track). He recounts that the fish resided in the last pool on the private stretch above, so Martin would cast upstream to get them.
Well ... I had access to that private stretch in the 1980s, as a resident of the village in question. In fact the photo I posted in morale booster thread shows the shallows just above that final pool! I remember finding that shoal of Barbel. That bit of bank is on the outside of a slight bend but vertical and at least 6ft off the water. It was covered with several thorny bushes, aside from one little gap down which I gazed on that occasion ... it looked perfect for an undercut bank, so I stomped on the ground, expecting a chub or two to shoot out. Imagine my surprise when half a dozen of so Barbel came out .... all of a very decent size!
As the bank was so inaccessible, I also resorted to upstreaming it from below. I had some good results to low double figures on a glass fibre swing tip rod, Mitchell match reel and single grain of sweet corn.
I also met Eric Kite from the Northampton specimen group on that peg. The first person I’d seen legering with a pin.
First note is that Peter Drennan rates him as the best he’s seen ... and I know he has seen a few!
Second note, rather amusingly, is that Martin records that his first really successful captures of Great Ouse Barbel came from the upstream peg on (what was then) the Vauxhall AC stretch at Felmersham (Whitty will remember, access from the Red Barn track). He recounts that the fish resided in the last pool on the private stretch above, so Martin would cast upstream to get them.
Well ... I had access to that private stretch in the 1980s, as a resident of the village in question. In fact the photo I posted in morale booster thread shows the shallows just above that final pool! I remember finding that shoal of Barbel. That bit of bank is on the outside of a slight bend but vertical and at least 6ft off the water. It was covered with several thorny bushes, aside from one little gap down which I gazed on that occasion ... it looked perfect for an undercut bank, so I stomped on the ground, expecting a chub or two to shoot out. Imagine my surprise when half a dozen of so Barbel came out .... all of a very decent size!
As the bank was so inaccessible, I also resorted to upstreaming it from below. I had some good results to low double figures on a glass fibre swing tip rod, Mitchell match reel and single grain of sweet corn.
I also met Eric Kite from the Northampton specimen group on that peg. The first person I’d seen legering with a pin.