Thanks Thanks:  0
Likes Likes:  0
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 14
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Stuck on the chuffin M25 somewhere between Heathrow and the A3
    Posts
    11,677

    Default



    I had a gudgeon yesterday and I suddenly realised it was the first I'd had for goodness knows how long.Now I dont fish the places I used to in the same way quite as often as I used to but I'm still trotting maggot/caster/punch often enough to get the odd pongo now and then.

    And ruffe...used to catch loads of them.Haven't had one for years.

    Is it just modern tactics ?

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    The mighty meanders of the middle Trent
    Posts
    30

    Default



    One of the smallish streams near where I live absolutely teems with fish life of very many species. Since I started fishing there around 10 years ago I've noticed a real decline in gudgeon numbers and size, not to say there arent still a lot in there but im sure its a lot less and they always seem to be tiddlers!

    Edit: Tiddlers compared to the size of gudgeon I used to get from there, some of them even went over 6"!

  3. #3

    Default



    I used to fish the Trent in the 60,s 70,s & 80,s, and there used to be loads of monster gudgeon, you know the ones that look like a small wineglass.

    I remember Kevin Ashurst winning matches with up to 20 lbs of the blighters, on the pole. They were infected with a tapeworm I think called pomporchrynis Laevis (spelling suspect), but as the trent got cleaner & more species came along numbers diminished. It may have just have been a natural cycle, but it could also have been competition for food.

    I fish a local commercial where the bottom of the lake must be paved with gudgeon, and they are quite ambitious in their choice of food, and I have caught them on really large lumps of meat, and big hooks. There are no predators in the water, not even perch as the River Authority will not sanction stocking as the complex drains into the RiverFal catchment area.

    There are plenty in the exeter canal, and Rivers Exe & Culme that I fish, but no where near as many or as large as the trent back then.

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Lancashire
    Posts
    4,460

    Default



    think the increase in perch numbers on the Leeds to Liverpool have led to ther downfall there and the Barbel must bemunching through them on the ribble.

    Use to spend many a evening fishing the lock flows for them with a small rod am=nd a bucket.

    I now satisfy myself with there larger cousins.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Stuck on the chuffin M25 somewhere between Heathrow and the A3
    Posts
    11,677

    Default



    Surely the decline of the pongo cant just be down to predation ? There must be other factors at work ?

    Sensas used to do a gudgeon groundbait & I'm pretty sure there was a liquid gudgeon attractor too. Stretches of the GUC I used to match fish had 5lb of "bull" pongo on every peg [not 40 to the pound jobs like I had yesterday] and they were a very handy Plan B.

    And happened to bleak ?

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Stuck on the chuffin M25 somewhere between Heathrow and the A3
    Posts
    11,677

    Default

    Sorry...that's <u>what </u>happened to bleak ?

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Nov 2002
    Location
    Lancashire
    Posts
    4,460

    Default



    Don't know about bleak as they have never been on the ribble to my knowledge.

    Dont underestimate predation. Plenty of prey predators grow in number and size. Prey slowly disappears and the predators then decline. Prey increases. Cycle of life.

    Dont forget was not long a ago that we had the perch desease.

    Though there are other factors i am sure.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Herts
    Posts
    12,106

    Default

    River Lea not had a Gudgeon for a couple of season's and the Bleak are thin on the ground also.

  9. #9
    Cakey Guest

    Default

    [img]/forum/smilies/sad_smiley.gif[/img]

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Stuck on the chuffin M25 somewhere between Heathrow and the A3
    Posts
    11,677

    Default



    Clearly Cakey is gutted .[img]/forum/smilies/smile_smiley.gif[/img]

    Not convinced the predator argument can account for all of it..My local river has never been overblessed with predators and it still isnt.....but it was full of gudgeon,bleak,ruffe and they just aren't there anymore.The dace &amp; roach have crashed too and I cant blame all of this on cormorant.Crayfish are not [yet] a problem.

    Same on the bits of the GUC I used to fish.Now largely fish and angler free.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •