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Thread: ok whats an f1

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    Simon Hume-Spry Guest

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    some old boy at cudmore told me they had f1 fish and they were a cross between a carp and a barbel i think he was talking **** has anyone heard of an f1 fish????

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    Wolfman Woody Guest

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    In gardening terms an F1 is a hybrid of two strains of usually the same species, ie brussel sprouts. They are bred that way to produce bigger or nicer tasting crops. However, the seed from any fruit or florettes will never produce the same strain again. It will always revert to one or the other of the parents or be seedless, as in Jaffa.

    Not heard of a cross between carp and barbel though.

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    Andy Nellist Guest

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    F1 is a first generation hybrid. The parents are are pure bred but come from different species.

    You cannot successfully cross barbel with carp.

    The most common f1's you will hear referred to are Crucian x Goldfish which have been stocked in a lot of commercial match venues.

    Barbel eggs have been fertilised by Bream and Chub (Pitts 1994) but none of the eggs survived beyond 60 hours after fertilisation.

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    Phil Hackett Guest

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    Andy
    Pitts 94 was correct at the time, but that was when GM technologywas in its infancy. It may not be true today. Who knows what the unscrupulous boffins in white coats have been up to on the content or the old eastern block.

    On thing for sure the fishery owners aren’t going to tell us if they’ve got hold of some stock of them……..Something to do with the fact it’s illegal to import GM creations into the country at the moment and release them into the environment.

    It’s also hyper-sensitive public opinion stuff as well.

    But that will all change if Tony no problems with GM Blair gets his way.

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    Phil Hackett Guest

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    Oops! Should read Continent not content. Bloody automatic spell checker!!!

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    Phil Hackett Guest

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    And off has 2 FFs...............SH*t

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    Simon Hume-Spry Guest

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    thanks jeff andy phil for clearing that one up but how long have f1s been around and whats pitts 94 ??

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    Andy Nellist Guest

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    Simon

    F1's always

    F1 Crucian x Goldfish since goldfish were introduced to britain i.e. hundreds of years

    there is today a much higher incidence of f1 and other hybrids because of the amount of fish movements. F1 crucian x goldfish have also been being deiberately stocked into commercial match venues with teh EA's consent. They were stocked because their maximum size is bigger than crucians but far smaller than carp which suits match fishing.

    Pitts 1994 was crediting the chap who managed to fertize barbel eggs with milt from bream and chub.

    Phil

    If what you suggest comes to pass then the BRFC will definately have to start using DNA testing or we will end up with imported triploids holding all the records.

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    Phil Hackett Guest

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    Absolutely Andy! I’m not so sure they would be triploids though? Not as we understand them to be at this point in time.

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    Andy Nellist Guest

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    Sorry Phil it was a reference to the Hull report where the Gibel Carp sampled from Germany turned out to be triploid Goldfish

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