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    Default Normark query.

    I have 2 old carbon Normarks,one is a 14ft Kunan Normark the other is a Davis Tackle built 13ft Normark.I know they arent up there with the Titans and Avengers but I`d like a bit more info on them.I also have an old Tony Fordham 13ft carbon too if anyone has info on that.
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    They probably date from the early 80s. The Kunnan rods were much cheaper than standard Normarks of the time which is probably what the Davis Tackle rod is - does it have metal banded ferrules?

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    I`d say the Davis is a proper Normark.It has the metal bands on the ferrules and Roberts reel fittings,in fact the Fordham rod is identical and also has the metal bands and Roberts fittings.I have no use for them,what are they worth to the Normark collector?The Kunnan is mint and appears never to have been used,the Davis has been used but is spot on.
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    What is it about this make of rod? If they were that good wouldn't the company which made them still be in business? How can they be better than the latest rods?

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    Default Re: Normark query.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Wintle View Post
    They probably date from the early 80s. The Kunnan rods were much cheaper than standard Normarks of the time which is probably what the Davis Tackle rod is - does it have metal banded ferrules?
    Weren't the Kunnan rods [ or at least some of them] glass/carbon composites ? Normark's budget/entry level range ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikench View Post
    What is it about this make of rod? If they were that good wouldn't the company which made them still be in business? How can they be better than the latest rods?

    Are they the piscatorial equivalent of a Morris 1000; quaint, rare, unusual, heartwarming but ultimately a car that cannot hold a candle to modern cars!
    Normarks were very good rods then and still perfectly useable today. I still have my Normark NMB-144 [ ?] 12' match rod which was my very first carbon rod. Maybe not as good as modern rods but not wildly out of its depth nowadays. If it was junk I'd have ditched it years ago.

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    Default Re: Normark query.

    I am sure they were as where Morris 1000's!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikench View Post
    What is it about this make of rod? If they were that good wouldn't the company which made them still be in business? How can they be better than the latest rods?

    Are they the piscatorial equivalent of a Morris 1000; quaint, rare, unusual, heartwarming but ultimately a car that cannot hold a candle to modern cars!
    I believe that you would be hard pushed to name many, if any, current match rods that are noticeably better than the 2000 series from the end of the last century - I can't speak for the later Normarks as I have not used them therefore my opinion is irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikench View Post
    What is it about this make of rod? If they were that good wouldn't the company which made them still be in business? How can they be better than the latest rods?

    Are they the piscatorial equivalent of a Morris 1000; quaint, rare, unusual, heartwarming but ultimately a car that cannot hold a candle to modern cars!
    I'm not a long term Normark worshipper. However, I still know that you're barking up the wrong tree. There are plenty of older rods out there that are better than anything on offer now.

    As to whether the company should still exist. The ownership of the brand has changed hands several times since the original owners sold it to form another enigmatic brand, Carbotec. Both Normark (in its first incarnation) and Carbotec sold very expensive rods that were never going to be huge sellers. Quality product at very high prices isn't necessarily the best business plan in the world, especially when coupled with limited availability and market visibility. Both Normark and Carbotec have strong followings and second hand prices are generally high. However, not all Normark branded rods are particularly well regarded, only certain models from specific time periods. The Normark brand still exists, but for reasons unknown, the current owner (Shimano Normark UK) has done little with the name.

    I'd suggest that, with the decals removed, and assuming the Normark to have a screw winch reel fitting, you'd be unable to state that the Normark was an old rod when compared to any brand new equivalent. There are certain features of some Normarks that may even lead you to believe that it was the more modern rod.

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    I wasn't being pejorative as I know nothing about the marque. I do not have one and probably never will but if I ever see one on my rare visits to car boots/ vide greniers I might just take a punt if the price is right.

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    I guess it boils down to whether you have the soul of the poet or the engineer.

    I have a couple of Normarks which I will use now and again. I appreciate they may not hold sway against some modern rods but they are still a delight to use and often you'll find other anglers will stop and chat about them.

    I also have a mid 1960s MG BGT, it has a free oil leak and the performance of a milk float against modern sports models but it often turns heads where, for example, a Masda MX 5, simply will not.

    The next time you're passed on the motorway by something like a Norton Commando, a Vincent Black Shadow or an MGA and you're not moved, I'd suggest opening your engineer's soul and allowing a little bit of the poet in....

    No manufacturer can market a product they know will lead the way thirty years later and in a world where technology moves at the speed it does, most new products are on the way down by the time they reach market. A sad conclusion but it can, surely, only get worse.

    That said, I love owning new tackle and shopping, usually via ebay, for items that I grew up with fishing wise in the 1980s and 90s. They're often available at vastly reduced rates, too.

    Yes, performance wise, they're often a little behind today's standards but if you put them in the hands of the guys on here, Binks, SKippy, Jerry, etc they'll still catch quality fish.

    If you do get to own a Normark, don't impose your modern standards and beliefs on it. Just enjoy it for what it was and is.

    Someone, I think it may have been Dryden, said "the past is a foreign country, they do things differently there". That's probably good advice for your Normarks because "differently" and "wrongly" are two very different (!) things...

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