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    Default Big Perch, A Few Thoughts

    I would be very interested in hearing other people's ramblings relating to their experiences, frustrations and fixes whilst fishing for big perch.

    Here are a few of mine based on these early days of my current campaign...


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    Following a frustrating couple of weeks that have seen me return to livebaiting for the first time since I was a kid I’ve been having a rethink due to my lack of success in finding a big perch of late.

    I did quite well throughout last winter going into spring and invariably with worm or maggot, the obvious problem being that they’re not very selective baits.

    I have no doubt at all that I’ve been fishing areas that hold these target fish yet I’m drawing blanks despite fishing both dawn and dusk periods and instead I’ve been banking pike and zander, I accept this as a likely occupational frustration but I reckon I should have put a big stripey or two on the bank by now.

    The first thing I’ve decided upon is to use smaller livebaits than the two to three ounce fish that I’ve been using, I’ve read a few articles recommending the use of big 4oz plus livebaits for big perch and I’ve spoken with people who have stumbled across big perch by accident whilst pike fishing with large baits in addition to those that have had larger fish snatched on the retrieve.

    I think that this has more to do with the appeal of a fish in distress and the prospect of an easy meal than it has to do with the size of it.

    The big bait = big perch theory seems to stand to reason on the face of it but I reckon it must be the overall exception not least for the reason being that a four pound perch would be consuming over 6% of its body weight in one meal which is by no means unrealistic but it certainly can’t keep downing those size of meals consistently without resembling something found in the Nile.

    So it’s back to blade size baits for me in the hope that it will filter out a fair few of the pike and zander and I will also be able to get away with a far lighter rig offering less resistance at the possible risk of having to wade through a few smaller perch perhaps?

    On the plus side the livebait float paternoster rig which I’ve put together has been functioning a treat and bearing in mind I’m more used to fishing a running paternoster with deadbaits in flowing water for pike I’ve realised the simple mistake that tying longer hooklinks results in and so these will be 4” – 6” max.

    I’m also going back to a standard wide gape hook and leaving the circles for the pike fishing following a period of frustration and missed runs over the last couple of sessions, a bit disappointing really as the circles did so well on their initial outing, if I start to get amongst some big perch on a regular basis then I will be more inclined to give them another go.

    So then…

    As far as bait choice goes we’re being more selective by using a livebait as opposed to worm or maggot and we’re hopefully filtering out some of the undesirables by downsizing the bait.

    I reckon that by choosing a handful of swims to fish on a given day we might just be in with half a chance of banking the size of fish that were coming out to the worm but I know there's bigger…



    Did I mention cloud groundbait… ?

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    Steve i don't thing there is an easy fix when targeting big perch. I can only give accounts of when i was fishing hard for them. Fishing was always at distance so lives were not an option. I tried deads, worms, maggots and prawns. Maggot caught the most and for me the biggest. Worms worked but not as well as maggots. fishing deads on on rod and maggots on another, maggots out fished them 10-1. This is from a water that has done perch to over six pounds. Personally i think its pick a method and wade through the smaller fish until the one you want comes along.... Are you fishing a river or stillwater..

    Andy

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    binka Guest

    Default Re: Big Perch, A Few Thoughts

    Thanks for that Andy, I'm fishing both rivers and stillwaters.

    Interesting that maggots out fished worms, I had a 2-5 on the river the other week that took a single maggot... I reckon perch get pre-occupied with regular trickles of small moving bait items falling through the water but that might not have been the case if you were distance fishing

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    Default Re: Big Perch, A Few Thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by binka View Post
    I think that this has more to do with the appeal of a fish in distress and the prospect of an easy meal than it has to do with the size of it.
    I can relate to that Steve. I just match the bait to the size of the hook, the smallest and lightest tackle I can get away with!

    Sorry I can't offer any clues regards selective baits, as you have already said; worms appeal to all that swims, but one trick is to hook a worm in the saddle and pinch its head off then stick the head onto the hook as well. It might not bag you a big stripy but it wont harm to try. Good luck mate.

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    binka Guest

    Default Re: Big Perch, A Few Thoughts

    Thanks Chris

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    Default Re: Big Perch, A Few Thoughts

    Have you tried chopped Dendrobaena worms as bait... they seem to pull in the larger fish.... (well they do on the Thames anyway), I used them with a bit of meaty groundbait in a cage feeder, this method resulted in my PB of 2lb 9oz
    I'm Pink, Therefore I'm Spam....!

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    I have found small livebaits to be the most effective and selective baits for perch. The trouble is that minnows, which seem to be irresistible if you put one in front of a perch, can be inhaled by a 3 ounce fish, even with a size 6 hook.

    Gudgeon are even better, but where I fish you can't always catch them.

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    I too have found the perch fussy this year. I used my hair rigged rudd tail on one water from which I had a couple of modest fish.

    Saturday, on another water on worm and maggot you would have thought the water was empty until I tried single caster on an 18 and got delicate bite after delicate bite and perch caught. Not big enough to weigh but over the pound.
    Back on worm...no bites. Back on caster...bites.
    Lightly hooked on the edge of the mouth.

    This second day was on a lightly fished, non hammered water by the way.

    As an after thought I would add that an occasional angler I know who fishes for whatever comes along caught one of three and a half from the 1st water on prawn.
    Its a bit like the times the first time piker goes out and lands a twenty!!!

    PS. I can't prove it but I believe that a few high oil trout pellets scattered around are a good attractant.

    Must get some prawns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arthur2sheds View Post
    Have you tried chopped Dendrobaena worms as bait... they seem to pull in the larger fish.... (well they do on the Thames anyway), I used them with a bit of meaty groundbait in a cage feeder, this method resulted in my PB of 2lb 9oz
    It's more often than not denrobaenas that I use Arthur due to their ready supply, I will occasionally dig a few lobs from the garden but I tend to find they die quickly once in the water.

    Either way/either worm I swear by chopped loose feed, I've actually started to put some of this in via a bait dropper when fishing close in on stillwater as well as by hand over the top so that I get a good scent coming off the bottom as well as through the water column.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john step View Post
    Must get some prawns.
    I might give the prawns a try on a second rod John, I've been trying the cooked ones without much success so maybe in their raw state?

    The cooked ones do dye up nicely with some Pred Plus on them.

    Having said that I took what would easily have been my pb (had I weighed it) on a cooked prawn with finely chopped prawn through a feeder whilst chub fishing on the Trent many years ago.

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    Default Re: Big Perch, A Few Thoughts

    Hmmmmm chopped prawns and worms in a feeder or a dropper with pred plus....? now that sounds promising
    I'm Pink, Therefore I'm Spam....!

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