Ron's Tidal Trent

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Matt Brown

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Heyup Ron,

Great article.

I fished the Tidal last night and managed to winkle a few out.

What are your thoughts on the Bream turning up. Re-bait heaviliy because they will have eaten all your feed, or just carry on?

Do you think they migrate downstream as the season progresses?

I've not fancied Maggots or Caster because there seems to be tons of small fish in the edges. Are they an issue? Are you likely to get 'bitted out'? (more slang!)

Why are bait droppers a waste of time?
 
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Ron Troversial Clay

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I have caught a fair number of bream when barbelling. Dont really mind them as some of them are quite big - to 8lbs- and they are nice bream too, no slime and fight well.

However when the bream move on the barbel move in. You don't get that many bream on a really gravelly bottom.

You do get bitted out on occasions using maggots and casters but they work in low clear conditions. I've had several fish over 8 pounds on a double maggot to a 10 hook.

I have used bait droppers a great deal. They are fine where you lower them into the stream on small rivers. I have found a heavy feeder puts out bait better when you need a bit of distance. Droppers have more than a tendency to open up or not even open up when you cast them. Well they do with me.

Barney proved this to me when we fished togther a while ago.
 
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Mind you he was fishing in my baited swim....:eek:)
 
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I've been using the Seymo droppers and they've been very reliable. I put around 20 droppers out last night with the 8oz version and in all instances it seems to have open.

I used to have loads of hassle with the gold ones though (Thamesley?)

One of the Bream I had last night was around 2lb. I seriously didn't know I had is on until I tried to swing the lead in!
 
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Ron Troversial Clay

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The bream in some stretches are now getting very big. Winthorpe has some whoppers. Friends of mine go out regularly and get a 100 lbs of them in an evening. They catch most of them on sweetcorn/dendra cocktails using lots of groundbait.

In fact in some stretches the bream are getting to a weight where they have to be taken seriously. I would put an 8 pound river bream as the equal of a 12 pound still water fish. I like river bream, They fight very well and sometimes you think you have hooked a really big barbel.
 
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A good article Ron,
It was interesting to see you use the same set up as myself. I never have problems with it.
If you can find the time, I'm sure we would all like to see you do more articles.
 
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The Monk

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excellent article mate, glad to see your writing again, good pictures too
 
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Ron Troversial Clay

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Thanks Muckers,

I thought I'd use the action shots of Bob Roberts. It's not very often that I get the chance do a little action photography and anyway Jeff would be objecting to my ugly mug on FM if I was seen behind a load of barbel.

Mind you Jeff's mug is so ugly he has to put a blinking chimpanzee on as his mugshot.
 
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I'd heard Jeff was so ugly as a child, his mother used to feed him with a catapult.

His pram had blinds on it.

His parents tied a piece of meat to his leg so the dog would play with him.

His pretend friend used to go up the street to play with the other kids.

When he was born the midwife slapped his mother.

Excellent article Ron, food for thought, and plenty to try.
 
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And BTW Merv - I won a bonny baby contest when I was 9 months old!













at Chester Zoo.
 
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Ron Troversial Clay

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And why not put your proper mugshot and name on FM Jeff?

Come on, why not?
 
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Fred Bonney

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Good read Ron,had a session last night,you didn't mention the eels though,they beat everything to the maggot and worm,at night.
I agree with you on the Bream,had a couple of beauties on 21mm pellets!!
No Barbel,for me,although my mate had a PB,from what looks like Bob's swim.
Some good roach & dace showing as well,all fin perfect.
 
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Ron Troversial Clay

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I am very pleased with the fact that good dace and roach are showing Fred. Can you give us a few more details.

In the latest Angling Star we have people moaning again about the shocking state of the Trent.

I don't believe this is true. Durind the past few years I have had some of the best fishing of my life from this great river.

WHY WHY WHY are people still moaning about the state of the Trent?

It's time we had a major debate about this on FM. From my side, the Trent has never been better. You just have to spend a little time learning its secrets that all.
 
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ED (The ORIGINAL and REAL one)

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He used to have it on Ron and we all begged him to take it off !!!!
(Believe me,the one he has on now is much,much better )
 
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Fred Bonney

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"You just have to spend a little time learning its secrets that all."
Ron,this is what it's all about,you've said it all.
As you know I'm a newcomer to this mighty river and I'm learning the hard way.
You only get out what your prepared to put in.
I would say the potential from some of the hardly fished locations is massive.
The dace and roach are being caught on the trot and are all good sizes and have the look of being uncaught,you have to fight your way through the bleak though.
 
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Ron Troversial Clay

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And the bleak are back. What marvellous news.

All I understand is that many anglers judge a river from it's match angling potential as if all anglers were match anglers. Well quite honestly the Trent is not a match river, as the Hants Avon and the Dove is not a match river.

These rivers are for people who know how to fish, not for people who spend 5 hours sitting in one spot and are too lazy to get off their bums and go and find the fish if they are not here.

The way that some people talk, one get's the impression that match fishing is the be-all and end-all of coarse fishing.

It's not.

Match angling will be the first thing that is banned if the antis get stuck into us.

Just as it was in Germany.
 
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Does anyone have any theories of how to sort out the bigger Barbel?

Some of the regulars I've spoken to reckon avoid Cromwell Weir and sit well downstream, away from the angling pressure. I've also been told that the smaller fish tend to feed at dusk and into darkness, but the bigger fish come onto the feed much later on.

Is that a load of rubbish? Is it a purely random thing as to the size of fish we catch?
 
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Rod MacAskill

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On a recent trip to a tidal stretch I fished one rod with pellets and the other with maggots.The latter rod was fished in a crude manner i.e. 4 maggots on a size 10 drennan super specialist hook to 10lb line. However this set up didn't stop the rod tip from rattling round virtually every cast and I ended up with an assortment of pristine perch,roach,chub,barbel,dace,bream and eels. I am not a match fisherman but reports seem to suggest that the river is a shadow of its fomer self unless one is targetting big fish. Suggestions also that the fish are more wary because of the clearer water don't seem to add up from my experience. I suppose I could be generalising since I have only been fishing a little fished short stretch of a massive river but I can honestly say that I have found the fishing to be extremely easy compared to some of my other haunts such as the Severn or Yorkshire rivers.
 
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