Nice effective rig phil, I will be making that my standard rig for meat and boilies in the future, Baz showed me the rigs that he had made up based on your method, but the ones I tried to make using shrink tube were unwieldy, the ones you have pictured in your article using micro tubings look the dogs danglers. Bryan I am so ham-fisted and visually impaired that I have never fished with a hand tied hook smaller than a size 10 and then it is with owner hooks which must have the biggest eyes in the hook world. Methinks it time to invest in one of them thar hook tiers thingies, anyone know of a good brand, Especialialy one that can tie a tiny loop in the hair because I always end up with a knot the size of a maggot and a loop big enough hang a mouse with.