RULE BREAKERS

michael rouse · Oct 14, 2004

How many of us have been caught 'breaking the rules' while fishing?

Im in a Northern based club called Prince Albert and they are very against rule breaking. Been caught nightfishing where i shouldnt but thats it.

The Monk · Oct 14, 2004

Must confess I have broken a number of rules over the years, mainly orientated towards extra rods, using banned baits, and night fishing. In my later years I`ve always tried to work within the democratic process and voted ridiculous rules out. In a fair minded democracy comprising of well balanced anglers, the rules will be there for well adjusted and tested reasoning, sadly we still have a few clubs who are controlled by ignorance, or have a leaning towards specific specialisms in the sport.

In the North of England we once had many match orientated clubs, who had appauling attitudes toward pike and pike angling. As a child a much older angler and committee member actually told me I would be banned from the club if I actually put pike back alive.

The Monk · Oct 14, 2004

Interestingly, I have also broken rules unwittingly, in the case of one organisation, the rule had been written in such appauling gramma, that I had actually interpreted the rule to mean something entiley different and because the bailiff was of (lets say)the education system had been unkind to him!, I had great difficulty explaining what the rule was actually saying and how it was open to interpretation. The rule was however re-written a few month later by someone who the English education system had been much kinder!

I`ve also worked as a club bailiff, but always tried to view things in prospective and only enforce rules which were detrimental to the fish, the water or other anglers, all rules should be based on these 3 factors, sadly I feel many are not?

Tim Ridge · Oct 14, 2004

I openly admit to breaking certain club rules on a regular basis. Night fishing bans are in force on most of my local river stretches. If you talk to the farmers who own the land you often find that they don't give a monkeys how long after dark you stay so why the ban? The answer is a simple one ignorance and intollerance of anyone who is a bit different.
The same thing applies to bait bans.
I have my own code of conduct. If night fishing is banned I ask the land owner or any residents who I might disturb on my way back to the car. Bait bans I just ignore. The only rules that I really follow are those which are in place for a genuinely constructive reason such as barbless rules or when my actions could cost the angling club in terms of the lease.

Baz · Oct 14, 2004

Tim.
You say you have youre own code of conduct. I am not suggesting for one minuet that you would do anything detremental to the fish or other anglers.
But when you sign on the dotted line for a club membership, you are automatically agreeing to accept all of the club rules wether you like them or not.
The A.G.M. is the place to get rules changed, I don't like or agree with some of my club rules, but I stick to them. Why do you think it should be any different for you?
If everybody took your'e stance, then clubs would be in a right mess.

Les Clark · Oct 14, 2004

Broke the two rod limit year`s ago on a club water`s,used three,no need for the limit, 30,40,acre water`s.
more recently ,used barbed hooks,while they were banned,which was turned around last year, after six year`s.
Nut baits are banned on all water`s except one,which hold`s the british carp record,the thinking is that: if you are good enough to fish for that fish,then you must know what you are doing ? and that you will not abuse the use of nut baits?
What a load of bulshit !

ED (The ORIGINAL and REAL one) · Oct 15, 2004

Michael --you also break the rules by fishing or catching crayfish (which you admitted to in other posts)....

Bryan Baron 2 · Oct 15, 2004

As Baz says the rules are there and you have agreed to them when joining. If you disagree with them get them changed.

As with all walks of life rules get infringed but you must be willing to take the consequences if you get caught.

Ergo · Oct 15, 2004

I agree with you Bryan, rules are there for a reason, which may not be apparent to you. Night fishing bans came in on many waters, for Health & Safety reasons. We are such a litigious society that if someone fell in and drown. It is the club that could have it's ar** sued off not the landowner, all he is often worried about, is getting his rent for the water.

Rod numbers are their for reasons also. 1. to stop anglers taking over the lake by spreading lines out everywhere. Why just three rods? why not six or more?
2. What would you do if you got a run on more than one rod at a time?

If you don't like the rules, get them changed. If you were caught on any of our waters breaking rules, you would be banned.

Frothey · Oct 15, 2004

used 4 on the 120 acre water les....the guy said i was taking up an unfair amount of water. i was fishing down the crossing end, everyone else was down the canal......

Baz · Oct 15, 2004

I'm not saying all these are breaking rules, but look at the picture that is being painted.

Three rods, three kilo of bait or more per rod, and rule breaking when it suits.
This is the picture a lot of anglers have of carp anglers. You can imagine what happens when the tounges start wagging.

Tim Ridge · Oct 15, 2004

The trouble is I am in a very small minority in my area. Getting rules changed by democratic means isn't an option. A few of us actually set up an organisation a few years ago and one of the reasons for this groups conception was to try to infiltrate various club commitees. We tried. I turned up to one club meeting along with four of our other members only to find that the meeting date had been changed three days previous in such a way that the commitee made sure we had missed it. We were subsequently provided with a list of dates for meetings which did not exist. Certain members of our group were harrassed by baliffs and complaints about this were ignored. In short we were not welcome.
I've sat on a seat box on one of the York D.A.A waters and had one of the baliffs come up to me and tell me what a bunch of tossers all the barbel anglers are for a variety of reasons. You just do not have any conception of what you are up against in this neck of the woods. It is like going back in time to the 1950's.

Tim Ridge · Oct 15, 2004

Put it this way Ergo. If all the waters within 40 miles of your home were carp waters with a rule stating the minimum hook size was a six,the only bait you could use was a boilie or a tiger nut, you couldn't use a pole, a keepnet or a line of less than 15lb breaking strain what would you do then?

Tim Ridge · Oct 15, 2004

As an aside to the last comments Goole A.A were once very anti night fishing (infact they struck me as anti-anything but match-fishing). I was always told that night fishing would be a breach of the waters lease.
The club got into financial trouble and I was asked to assist implementing a bloody night sindicate to save the clubs lease on the water. Just goes to show the real reasons for these rules in many cases!

Frothey · Oct 15, 2004

you need some common sense as well though baz.....whats the problem using four rods if you've got 118 acres of water to yourself?

3kg of bait a bad thing baz.....i've seen pics of ivan marks swimming out buckets full of bait for bream, no-one moaned about that, did they?

Graham Whatmore · Oct 15, 2004

Too true Frothey, it was common practice in Ireland to use 3 56lb bags of groundbait 3 gallon of casters and 3 gallon of maggots, and thats just for 1 week. If there were 4 of you in the party thats over a quarter of a ton of groundbait going in a river in a week!

Some people adopted this heavy type of groundbaiting over here as well and it was never objected to.

Oh! and I never break rules

I make my own.

Peter (the Tackle Tart) Jacobs · Oct 15, 2004

Dave, I don't see anything wrong in using 4 rods on that size of water as long as you have two licences, and I've done that myself on many ocassions.

As to the amount of bait then that too is a matter of choice gien the prevailing conditions. You ought to have seen the quantities of bait you needed on those old Scandinavian Masters 4 day festivals in Sweden. We used so much that most groups would invest in a ground bait mixing machine that ran off of your cars 12v system.

Ergo · Oct 15, 2004

Tim, it would be highly unlikely that my club would impose such a daft ruling, especially with me on the committee. If it was a majority vote I would have to go with it, and play golf more often.

There are though, other fish than carp, and people are coming to realise that now. Even one of the local commercials is carp free and specialises in tench and bream.

Baz · Oct 15, 2004

I do agree with what Frothy and Tim have just said. I was thinking more of the waters that I know of personally.
Tim has said something that I was going to start a new thread about. But I might as well say it here.
NIGHT FISHING.

A club may sell five hundred night fishing permits in an area whithin a 25 mile radius.

This club may have for arguments sake, three waters where night fishing is allowed.

On each water there are a limited number of anglers allowed to night fish. Lets say 12 anglers per water.

That is 36 night fishing places availiable at any given time.

The point is, why has the club sold 500 night permits when they obviousely cannot cater for that many anglers, who want to night fish?

Baz · Oct 15, 2004

As for Frothey fishing a 118 acre lake with 4 rods, and saying use common sense.
This also goes for a six acre lake, fishing 2 rods instead of 1.
Look at it from a bailiffs point of view.
Mr. nice guy bailiff comes along, and sees you fishing 4 rods, where it should only be 3.
You are the only person on the lake, and point this out to the bailiff. So the bailiff says, you?re right mate it isn?t a problem, and leaves you to it.

A month later, a different bailiff comes along and catches you using four rods, and takes your?e card.
The first thing you will say in front of the committee is, But Mr. nice guy bailiff lets me use four rods.
And drop him right in the shit. This kind of thing does happen, even to the extent of naming other anglers who are their mates doing things wrong. Anything to get themselves off the hook.
I have had it done to me once but it won't happen again.

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