The HARRISON Sulis

Wolfman Woody · Nov 3, 2004

You lucky, lucky b......

That looks like the perfect Avon rod Graham, just what I was looking for.

Must start saving.

What more to say except that I still maintain it would be better to sell it as a simple Avon rod with the one top. That way they could probably get the price under ?100 which could only encourage sales. Then offer the quiver top as an option. More sales = less production cost = more profit and lower RRP.

I love it though (and that's just from a picture).

Peter Jacobs · Nov 3, 2004

Jeff notes:
"Must start saving"

Nah, don't believe it, the RRP of this puppy is simply small pocket change to Jeff (T.T) Woodhouse.

Ain't that right Jeff?

GrahamM · Nov 3, 2004

Jeff, the FM rod IS sold with one top at ?99.00. I know it's heavier but not that much. Personally, if I was only going to use the Avon top I would go for the FM Concept every time.

Shrek · Nov 3, 2004

Jeff,

If you wanted to part with any of your lesser used tackle to amass the required monetary sum, I might be interested.......!!

Graham Whatmore · Nov 3, 2004

Peter will buy it you for Christmas Jeff but you will have to pay p&p of course.

Graham, a question. I thought the traditional Avon rod was a 1lb t.c.?
I'm a bit disappointed its 1.25lb, it seems a bit too close to the 1.5lb Harrison I have now especially as you say you would prefer the Concept avon top, which is what I use.

Damn it I thought my search was over but obviously it isn't.

Ron Troversial Clay · Nov 3, 2004

Mine should arrive tomorrow. Will try it out on the chub of Don which are starting to push 41/2 lbs.

Graham is so correct when it comes to the assessment of Harrison rods. They do FEEL right and are actually excellent value for money. The hollow top should be excellent for general tench and bream fishing.

Ron Troversial Clay · Nov 3, 2004

Come on Jeff, what's ?135 to you. You are a blinkin Southerner. Think of us poor struggling Northerners.

Graham Whatmore · Nov 3, 2004

Poor northerners, blimey Ron its only a week since you were asking what to do with all the money you've got. Well heres your chance mate buy us all a classy rod eh!what!

sash · Nov 3, 2004

Graham,

I think Harrison do state that TC's aren't exact as it's almost impossible to correctly gauge? If one behaves in a different way then it may be perfect. I have a couple of 1.5lb TC rods that are softer than a couple of 1.25TC's and are used in different situations to that which one might expect if only basing by stated test curve.

Ron Troversial Clay · Nov 3, 2004

Test Curves are a very flawed method of determining the power of a rod. If you look at the Harrisons web site you will see the reasons for this very lucidly put.

You can never really bend a rod to the theoritical test curve. Fast, slow and compound tapers make test curves virtually obsolete. They became obsolete with the advent of carbon fibre.

Ron Troversial Clay · Nov 3, 2004

By the way the Traditional Avon Rod was the old Wallis Wizard in three pieces with a whole cane butt and split cane middle and top joint. Test curves were never mentioned in those days.

Where the so called 1 lb test curve came from I think was when **** Walker decided to make a lighter version of the Mk IV carp rod which he called the Mk IV Avon.

The Original Mk IV carp rod had a test curve of 1 1/2 lbs. which was upped to 2 lbs in later years.

yoggy · Nov 3, 2004

This does look and sound a fantastic rod BUT ...as i"m fairly new to FM could someone please tell me about this "concept rod".I"ve heard lots about it on various threads etc but i"m still in the dark about it!!.Who designed it,and why was it designed etc..thanks.

Graham Whatmore · Nov 3, 2004

Yes Sash and Ron I hear what you say but I was basing my comment on what Graham said about the avon top. I know the Concept is reputedly quite soft and forgiving but its also got the power and why would you need something quite similar. I use the Triptych for barbel but I'm looking for something softer and much more forgiving for chub and the odd small barbel. So far the only one I've seen is the "River and Stream" by TFG which, at 1lb 2oz is as near to 1lb that I can get, unless I pay to have one made to measure so to speak.

Ron Troversial Clay · Nov 3, 2004

Graham, I would love to know how they measured a 1 lb 2 oz test curve?

The Concept rod was conceived by myself in conjunction with Graham, Steve Harrison and a number of other members of this website.

It's a rod that is difficult to describe in terms of it's action. You have to pick one up to really appreciate this rod.

If you can remember the old Mk IV carp rod, you are getting there. Compound tapers are the secret.

John Owen · Nov 3, 2004

Graham,
There is a 1lb tc rod available on the market... at a price, it's the Bruce & Walker HEXAGRAPH AVON No.1 (aka RAY WALTON SPECIALIST No1) 11ft, 1lb TC*, traditional Avon action

I also think that there is a Drennan rod which I've read about and is called their Tench rod that might be 1lb tc

Big Rik · Nov 3, 2004

"The Concept rod was conceived by myself in conjunction with Graham, Steve Harrison and a number of other members of this website."

christ Ron, it'll be called the Ron Clay Barbel rod next.

You do big yourself up don't you.
I suppose with not much time to go, you're desperate to dream up some legacy.

John Owen · Nov 3, 2004

Graham,
Yep, I was right,
Drennan MK III Tench Float 12ft 9inch / 3.88m ?139.00

Super High Modulus Carbon, full S.I.C rings Cork handle 1lb test curve tip 3lb + power play action Ideal reel lines 4lb to 8lb

Bruce & Walker Hexagraph Avon No.1 11' # 1.0lb
This rod was produced in the quest for the ultimate rod based on hooking and landing a fish in the shortest possible time. It requires accurate casting with one shot power feeders and other static bait methods.
Specification: Single leg Fuji rings, with single leg lined butt ring. Keeper ring. 11 rings including the tip. Full 22" cork handle with sliding rings reel fitting. Colour: Gold - Matt finish.
Price: ?396.00

sash · Nov 4, 2004

If you can find a secondhand Shimano Technium twin-top it is still the best chubbing rod I've owned. 12ft, 1.25lbTC, lovely soft action with plenty of power lower down, 1 avon top, 1 quiver top with 1.5oz,2,2.5 and 3oz tips. The lighter 3 are glass, the 3oz is carbon. . Have used them for a lot of tench fishing too so there is plenty of ooomph in them.

GrahamM · Nov 4, 2004

Yoggy, details of the FISHINGmagic Concept rod are here.

I stand corrected, to some extent anyway, the test curve of the Avon rod was originally 1lb, it evolved into a 1 1/4lb TC rod over time.

Sash, that's right, test curves of carbon rods, especially, are only rough approximations, a guide if you like. You can never tell what a rod will be like these days until you actually pick it up and flex it, or, better still, fish with it.

My best advice is not to make a final judgement from an advert or a review, but to have a feel of the rod for yourself. Remember, what feels heavy to one angler can feel light to another and vice versa. What I think feels good could feel like crap to you, for what you're looking for in a rod could be much different to what I'm looking for.

Use adverts and reviews to point you in the right directions, make a short list of the ones under consideration, and then go and pick the rods up and decide which one is right for you.

Yes, I know that isn't always possible, so the only thing you can do in that case is take the word of a friend or reviewer you can trust.

GrahamM · Nov 4, 2004

The design of the Harrison's FISHINGmagic.com Concept rod began with this thread.

Allow plenty of time, it's 407 messages long!

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