The long & the short

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Les Clark

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I must agree with you Kev,I find the modern trend for short rod handles a pain in the arse,back in the mist`s of time they were a good foot longer,giveing you that bit more of leverege, and for a short arse like me,who`s casting is probably on par with you,I could do with that exra foot(on the rod butt).
 
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Paul Christie 3

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There are times when I prefer either. Long handle for distance fishing, but otherwise it can be a bit of a nuisance and get in the way. Most modern reel fittings are great, but you are stuck with fitting the reel very rigidily in one place.

The old cork handles with sliding fitings at least allowed you to use the full handle or shorten it a little, by fitting the reel slightly further down.

The best one for me is one that Diawa use on some of their quiver / match rods. It's a plastic screw fitting on a part cork handle, that can be positioned anywhere on the handle. Sadly most speci rods I've seen have the fixed fittings.
 
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Kevin,
Being the most brutal modifier of rod handles around, I would take the existing fitting off. Obtain a new reel fitting and fit it in the place that I want it. You might need to take the rod rings off to do this.
On match rods I changed handle shapes, cut up to six inches off, removed fittings and added them.

This is the only way you will get it how you want it.

Good luck - Hacksaw Harry
 
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Wolfman Woody

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What happened to the screw in button on the ends of rods?

Some manufacturer ay some stage probably thought it was cheap to simply fit a plastic cap, but this has changed andwe now have bright silvery buttons and so on.

There was a purpose to the old screw end cap. You could remove the button and screw in a short handle extension for when you wanted a little more length and therefore distance.

When spinning you could screw in a spear end, remember those? This meant that when you need to change lure you simply threw the rod at the ground and the spear stuck in leaving your rod upright. You then changed lures using both hands.

The problems with the spear end came when you got a take, forgot the spear part and struck by pulling the rod butt into your stomach. This led to the formation of the Hari Kiri Pike Spinners Club, which eventually died out through a lack of members.
 
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Ron Troversial Clay

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It's actually called "Seppuku" Jeff.

As you strike a great cry of: "Ahh So" is heard. It's not stuck into your stomach, but your groin.

Most members of The Seppuku Spinners and Specialist Species Sport Fishers Society speak in very high pitched voices.
 
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Wolfman Woody

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Seppuku is stricly "ritual suicide" Ron, but "hari kiri" crudely means "belly ripping". That's what the spear end would do to you and if the blood letting didn't kill you the blood poisoning from the dirty spear end would.

I wonder what the do-gooders would make of the spear end now? They'd probably say they could be used as an offensive weapon and ban them.
 
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Wolfman Woody

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Back to Kevin's problem - We can't see how long the handles are from the piccy supplied.

Can you measure them Kev so we can compare them with normal handles. If they are so short then perhaps the goods are "not suitable for the purpose for which they were intended". But that's a matter for the dealer to sort out, it's him you have the contract with, not the manufacturer, unfortunately.
 
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Kevin Perkins

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Jeff

Handles are 22'' from reel stem to butt, other rods I have are 24-25'' fixed length. Bring back full cork handles and sliding rings, I say!

As mentioned in article manufacturer has 'admitted' handles are too short - how long are yours?

Regards

Kevin
 
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It may be necessary to have a longer handle for whacking out deadbaits and suchlike but in general I end up shortening rod handles, 21" - 22" total length seems about the norm for how I like mine.

Agree about the reel fittings, (I always use the John Roberts type), any rod with a screw fitting just don't even get considered. Just try getting the blasted things undone in a hurry when it's cold, wet and smothered in slime and snot of some description.
 
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Wolfman Woody

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Kevin, it does seem a little short for a split handle. Just measured mine and I gues the Spod rod is the shortest at 23". Others are 23?" - 24?"

Can't agree with either of you about those metal, or even carbon, rings. Hideous things always coming apart and leaving you fighting a fish with a reel in your hand, not on the rod. Oh, and tried elastic bands and bits of bike inner tube.

"wet and smothered in slime and snot of some description." urgh! Take a hankie with you John or just use your sleeve.
 
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Kevin Perkins

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JP

''It may be necessary to have a longer handle for whacking out deadbaits and suchlike.......''

The rods in question are deadbaiting rods, so as you say, they should be longer - but they are not, therefore the phrase 'not fit for purpose' springs to mind!

Jeff

The comment about cork handles was just me reminiscing about the days when us poor anglers used to make our own rods, glueing individual corks onto blanks, lovingly sanding them down until the sliding rings just fitted, whipping on rings, varnishing....... oh, I've come over all nostalgic (or is is just a craving for varnish fumes!!)

Regards

Kevin
 
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Hands up all those who rember the old ABU mark 5 and mark 6 All England Match Rods a cork handle that went on for ever and needed 4oz of lead up the butt to balance them Brilliant rods in their day!
 
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Kevin Perkins

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Dear All

Just an update to say that things have moved on a pace. The manufacturer collected the rods a couple of weeks ago. I went to my local tackle shop to see if there was any news, and lo and behold, a parcel had just arrived for me from said manufacturer. On opening, it was found to contain 2 brand new replacements of exactly the same type of rod! I thanked the shopkeeper for his help and said I would tke the replacements and deal directly with the manufacturer. He said I could take them, but would have to re-imburse him the near ?10 carriage charge.

Leaving the rods at the shop, I calmly phoned the 'customer services' department and told them what I thought of their replacements, and also what they could do with their carriage charge. To my astonishment, they agreed to take back the 'replacements', credit the carrige charge, and would send me two new different rods, which they hoped would be more to my liking.

So, I am really pleased, except, of course, that the promised'new' rods haven't arrived yet......

This could go on a while yet!

Regards

Kevin
 
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Wolfman Woody

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"He said I could take them, but would have to re-imburse him the near ?10 carriage charge."


It's nice of the manufacturer to "promise" to help and I hope the new rods materialise, Kevin. However, that shopkeeper is the person your contract was held with since he was the one who took your money. He should be busting a gut to make sure you are satisfied, not wanting to charge you with a miserly ten quid and then wanting to back out.

I trust you will be using him again - NOT!!!
 
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The Monk

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my understanding of the mathematic relating to rods of different material types (ie fibre g;lass and carbon material types react under different laws), are based on mathematical formuli in relation to the eye positioning and the parabolic curve of the rod material type under test curve conditions, ie if built according to the correct mathematics, the eyes would be posioned so as to cause the minmimum amount of friction according to recommended load ranges and line diameters to ultimately aid casting ability and general wear and tear. To cut a section of the butt off will not do the rod any favours unless you know exactly what you are doing!
 
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Ron Troversial Clay

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Mate,

The concept of the test curve can never be achieved. It is not possible.
 
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Kevin Perkins

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Manufacturer has taken back replacement rods, waived carriage charges and given me a full refund at retail price!

So, next question, are the new Fox deadbait rods any good for an infrequent pike angler like me, and far more important, how long are the handles!

Regards

Kevin
 
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Les Clark

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Kevin ,don1t know about the fox rods , but it seem`s to me all rod`s these day`s seem to have a short butt ,pike or carp ,the only way out of this is to have them custom built.
 
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Kevin, why not give J&K a ring and ask them? Dave, Paddy, Jason, et al will be only too happy to help and I'll bet they have them in stock.

If you have to go over there you can do some book signing whilst you're at it. I've seen them on the counter!!!!! :eek:)
 
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Andy "the Dog" Nellist

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Most of my rods are custom built and all have the reel 25" from the butt and have full duplon handles. Not saying that's right for everyone but for me thats the perfect distance and full duplon means grip is always perfect and they feel warm in winter.
 
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