Angling Next to Be Banned?

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NottmDon

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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/050103/80/f9l3k.html So... If you all felt a little easier now that hunting with hounds is to be banned, perhaps thinking the antis and the anarchists would take up knitting with organic wool and leave us to fish in peace: maybe we should consider what next? My opinion is that hunting with guns will be next, followed by game fishing,(including sea fishing) and then followed by coarse angling. With so many branches of our sport under threat is it not time that we had an "organised" body that would represent all anglers and be "pro-active" as IMHO no such body exists, and please dont say the NFA does this because frankly their efforts are like peeing on a volcano to put out an eruption. Bob James is out of a job now perhaps he'd consider taking the task on? I'd be interested if anyone knows of any group that would consider an amalgamation of angling bodies as a way forward. Or are our angling bodies too busy within their own domains and afraid of power sharing for the future of angling?
 
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The Monk

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the wording "hunting with hounds" may be banned, but "tracking with hounds" and then shooting the dam fox in the name of vermin control, will still be perfectly legal

you tell me the difference?
 
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Ron Troversial Clay

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I don't care what anyone says.

For goodness sake at the next election, vote Tory!!
 
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Ron, the Tories were responsible for the destruction of communities, the poll then the council tax, and reducing the tax burden on the very rich by 20%.

Despite their promise to reinstate hunting with hounds, they are unelectable to a large majority of people.
 
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Ron Troversial Clay

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But I will still vote for the Tories because they will re-instate hunting with hounds and will not interfere with angling.

And in my earning bracket I will be taxed less.

And they will form a government that will not tell me what to do. It will be me who tells them what to do.

Thatcherism won't come back.

I believe that the Tories will champion the majority of law abiding hard working people who have been let down by Blair.

I believe in free enterprise, hard work and ambition, and not being penalised by the tax man if one achieves these hard won goals.

All we have had under Blair is ever rising taxes and the stinking likes of Prescott and Brown telling us what to do, plus a complete disregard for minorities, viz the hunting ban and others.

Not only that, the police are so controlled they can't even go and take out the drug dealers of this country.

I've had enough of the labourite crap.

And so have lots more.
 
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thatcherism wont come back cos theres nothing left for them to sell or close down, but each to his own!
 
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I am in agreement with Ron its time for people to realise that this great nation and all it has to offer is theirs for the taking and not something that can be rationed out to the lucky few like treats or given to the masses as a reward.this government treats the population like children and promotes a mummy knows best mentality, the term "nanny state" did not invent itself.

If you get up off your arse and set yourself a goal there is nothing that reasonably cannot be achieved, it is the purpose of this regime to promote this ethic and not pander to the idle who wish to do nothing more than smoke drink and watch eastenders at the expence and detrement of the mass population.

I wish the hard line socialist types would get it into their heads that you are not a bad person simply because you earn more and as such therefore "deserve" to be taxed more to fund the poor and under-priveledged.

Yes we need a wellfare state where medical care is given freely and social support is always on hand but on the other side of the coin we should not allow the free-loading illegal immigrants( i do not have any issue with working immigrants whatsoever as long as they pay tax, the same as me) and non- working class to use the working man as a free bank.
 
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NottmDon

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From what Ive seen Malcom there arent many socialists in the labour party anymore. Nothing wrong with socilaism (in theory) just the way its implemented by those so called socialists who get elected and then move the goal posts. I despair at the way this country is going and wonder when this PC crap will bite the dust. I'd dearly like it to be that criminals would cower indoors afraid to go out and commit crime because they will have to do "hard time". Instead the old and the infirm are being picked clean by these vultures who dont even wait outside the post office to claim their next victim. They take the direct approach and rob, maim and murder old folk in their own homes. Some common sense, some real prisons that do not look like Butlins, and hanging for murderers of children and others who rely on society to offer them peace and protection, that would be a nice starter for ten! Long live the ideals of socialism.
 
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Malcolm Bason

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I too despair at the way this country is going mate!

But some rant on as though all the problems of this country began, and only exist, when labour are in government!

To be honest I get sick and tired of others' political views being rammed down my throat!

In my humble opinion, politics (and football) should be in the bait box!
 
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Ron Troversial Clay

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In the latest Angling Star, there are several articles which mention politics. Personally I don't think this is a bad thing.

The issue concerning all of us as members of this website is the future of our sport. Let's have some frank discussion on what we think the various parties might do, or might not do in terms of angling.

For myself I am very suspicious of certain Labourite back benchers now that they have "won" on the matter of fox hunting. I beleieve that if the Labourites get another term their arrogance will rise byond beleif.

Let's have some democracy for crying out loud.

Let's put our cross to a party that really will leave angling and other field sports alone. We don't need nannying by any government.
 
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Twainy

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Of course you are suspicious of labour Ron,
after all they took away your right to follow a pack of hounds and watch them tear a fox apart.
I don't see what all the fuss is about. Bear baiting, badger baiting, cock fighting, dog fighting have all been banned in their time and with good reason They were cruel and outdated and our civilisation had evolved to believe, on the whole that this was the case.
Possibly many, many years in the future we might conceivably see angling banned if evolution in our society continues as it has.
This really is old hat, angling will never be banned, at least not while its worth ?10 billion to the economy, (if I remember correctly from a previous thread on this subject.)
The socio economic groups which most encompass our sport are also the groups from which labour draws most of its votes.
need I say more?
 
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The only problem Ron is that the Tories are not looking in any way electable.
The burning shame is that the country is in general heartily sick of the antics of the current Blair administration with it's lies over Iraq and other matters coupled with the desire to inflict ever more oppressive laws and the heavy handed reinforcement of those laws on easy (i.e. generally law abiding citizens) targets for e.g. the Tyranny of the speed cameras.
The problem is where is the real opposition the Tories cocked up when they didn't have Ken Clarke as their leader as he was the only one who had any trace of charisma.
Presently their vote is being eroded by UKIP on the one side and the Liberals on the other simply because they have not made any real attempt to decide what they stand for then have the guts to stand by it and tell us about what they can offer by way of a real alternative.
The inevitable sad result of this will be Blair will go to the country in May and will win again probably with a reduced majority and with the lowest turnout on record as quite frankly I suspect that the general public are so disallusioned with party politics that they will in general no longer consider it to be worth the bother of turning out.
De Facto this destroys the mandate of the incoming government.
Longer term it provides a happy hunting ground for single issue groups as disallusioned voters feel that this will be the only way that they can get their voices heard but this is no way to run a country with a government with no moral authority chasing every populist bandwagon in order to remain in power.
 
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Ron Troversial Clay

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Thanks Alan. Some interesting points.

Oh dear, have we got to see another 5 years of Tony and Two Jags.

Sorry 3 Jags now I beleieve.
 
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Malcolm Bason

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"Let's have some frank discussion on what we think the various parties might do, or might not do in terms of angling."

How can anyone have a frank (and perhaps even sensible?) discussion on this subject
when you place more importance on the following type of comment:

"Oh dear, have we got to see another 5 years of Tony and Two Jags.

Sorry 3 Jags now I beleieve."

I suffered financially during the 17 horrible years of Tory rule, and I also worked during that time for my local health authority - so many hospitals were closed by the tories, and I saw this first hand - not what the media wanted you to know, and it angers me so much to read your ramblings and other's blinkered views! Have you people no memories? Or are you amongst the 'middle classes' you spout on about Ron? You would not of course been so affected would you?
 
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lot of valued points made by every one, but it makes no difference who gets in, they've promised the world to get in, then we told what to by several countries, and the do-gooders have there say, then they back down. so every bodies back to square one, a goverment with a spine might be a start, tell the our nosey niegbours over seas this is'nt your country we dont want the rest of the worlds off cast and we'll disapline our kids and crimanls how we want, we turning in to a soft socirty run by thugs- gangsters, and kids who get away with asmacked wrist and sent on holiday for robing the old girl down the road, or kickin some ones head cos they were pissing up somes car etc and there got told NO. every time the above complains the more the govarment kisses there asses while we get ignored, and being a home help career and seeing the state some of these old folk go through when i retire it'll be a base ball bat under my pillar.

the soap box has been put away!!!!!
 
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Yeah, right...

I've always thought that "us do-badders oughta stick to-gever..."

Also wondered just how many many of "us" could get onto the flimsy timber of said soapbox, without it cracking and leaving the lot of "us" face-down in said shi'...

Ho hum...
 
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