Single Species Groups - when did they all start?

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As part of my researches for my pike-fishing history book, I am keen to know when the various single species groups (apart from the Pike Society, which I know about) started life. Groups like the Tenchfishers, the National Anguilla Club, the Barbel Catchers, and the Perch and Chub groups etc. (The BCSG I think I know also.)

It'd be really helpful if anyone has info on this. Thanks to all in advance.
 

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As part of my researches for my pike-fishing history book, I am keen to know when the various single species groups (apart from the Pike Society, which I know about) started life. Groups like the Tenchfishers, the National Anguilla Club, the Barbel Catchers, and the Perch and Chub groups etc. (The BCSG I think I know also.)

It'd be really helpful if anyone has info on this. Thanks to all in advance.

Graham,
Bream Catcher's Club which I was a member of initially, if my memory is to be trusted was approximately 1967/68. The founder was Bob Ivey, the group boasted a few famous names of the day including, Bill Keal and Peter Mead amongst others. Hope this helps.
 

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The first single species group that I know of was the Carp Catcher's Club in 1951. The inspiration for this group came from BB.

Then came the Tench Fishers started by John Ellis and Maurice Ingham, ca 1953.

After that came the Barbel Catchers - 1961

The National Carp Group came about 1965 followed by the BCSG - 1969, formed by Eric Hodson and Peter Mohan.

Then came the Carp Anglers Association founded in 1974.

The Pike Society which became the PAC was founded by Eric Hodson in 1972. It became the PAC in 1977.

The Carp Society, suggested by Rod Hutchinson in 1978 took off in 1981.

There are other single species groups such as The Perch Fishers, The Chub Study Group, The Real Tench Fishers and the Barbel Society, but the best man to consult here would be The Monk!
 

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The first single species group that I know of was the Carp Catcher's Club in 1951. The inspiration for this group came from BB.

Then came the Tench Fishers started by John Ellis and Maurice Ingham, ca 1953.

After that came the Barbel Catchers - 1961

The National Carp Group came about 1965 followed by the BCSG - 1969, formed by Eric Hodson and Peter Mohan.

Then came the Carp Anglers Association founded in 1974.

The Pike Society which became the PAC was founded by Eric Hodson in 1972. It became the PAC in 1977.

The Carp Society, suggested by Rod Hutchinson in 1978 took off in 1981.

There are other single species groups such as The Perch Fishers, The Chub Study Group, The Real Tench Fishers and the Barbel Society, but the best man to consult here would be The Monk!

Wow! Thanks Ron. Great to talk the other day. I shall call you again on my return from Italy in late September. The chub and perch groups I still need the info on then. I think the Anguilla Club was 1965? Anyone differ? Ah - I've just looked at the NAC website - it was founded in 1962.

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Graham,
Bream Catcher's Club which I was a member of initially, if my memory is to be trusted was approximately 1967/68. The founder was Bob Ivey, the group boasted a few famous names of the day including, Bill Keal and Peter Mead amongst others. Hope this helps.

Thanks Derek; I didn't have you down as a Bream Catchers member. In fact I'd forgotten all about them until you reminded me.

Thanks also for the info you PMd me - it'd be great to chat once I get back.

Graham
 
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Not quite Ron, the Golden Barbel Club pre-dated the CCC by many years and indeed the odd single specie group did exist prior to 1950, I think the Red Spinners was one of these also? NASG of course brought many of the then single specie groups under one roof when our mate Eric organised the first meeting 24th April 1965 and many groups grew and was formed from this. many of the longer standing groups did have breaks in their history, the original Tenchfishers for instance of 1954 was reformed, so was the Perchfishers and the Barbel catchers. The National Anguilla Club however was formed in December 1962 by Arthur Sutton, I still have the original newsletters, and it progressed after Dr Terry Coulson became involved, Eric was unaware of the National Anguilla Club`s existance at NASGS inception, but the NAC later joined the organisation NASG. The first National Carp Group was formed by Alan Otter I believe under NASGs auspices, known as the National Carp Club, towards the end of the 60s the Winter Carp group formed which appears to have ran into the 1969 BCSG fromed by Eric and Peter Mohan. from Erics notes, Peter tried to join the NCC but his application was turned down, so he asked Eric could he help, the end result was Eric suggested Peter form his own group and together they set up the BCSG. Peter later went on to form the CAA Carp Anglers Club ca 1975. The Carp Society of 1981 was Tim Paisley baby, I`cant remember the co-founder now?, this was the first time the carpman had a truely carp angling group for all and of course the Carp Society took off big time. Eric also formed the Pike Society 1972, which ran into difficulties and was reformed/relaunched as a new body under the PAC banner ca 1977 under Barrie Rickards, Hugh Renolds and Bill Chillingworth. Another significant happening was the formation of Rons Northern Specimen Hunter group (1962), to give it its orginal name, Eric developed his idea of NASG from NSHG, and the rest is history as they say.

Derek wasnt Bob Ivey Kent based, I remember the Bream group, wasnt it short lived though, I still have the original NASG lists?

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Wow! Thanks Ron. Great to talk the other day. I shall call you again on my return from Italy in late September. The chub and perch groups I still need the info on then. I think the Anguilla Club was 1965? Anyone differ?

yes NAC was December 1962, the Perchfishers, the original group formed in the 60s not sure of the date, our present group, to which I was political rep was formed around 83 if I remember rightly, the original group disbanded after the perch desease outbreak in the 70s. A perchfishing club did exist in the 50s, but I have little information about it, it think it was formed under the CCC original tenchfishers group phase? I dont know much about the Chub Study Group but suspect this isnt the original group, going from my NASG/NASA records?

Its funny still having Ron around, younger members would have no idea what a legend we have in our midst, he was certainly mine, not only did Ron form one of the first significant localised group which achived National fame, he also helped out with the concept of the first organisation to encompass all single specie specialists groups, NASG the Mother organisation, but he also brough the bolt rig into this country, so much history and hes still very much alive and kicking, I guess we`ll have to shoot me old mate in the end, haha
 
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Monk,
Yes, I think you're right on both points mate. I let my membership slide by the end of the first year.
I don't know for certain, but I believe it folded by the third year.
Huge ego's don't bode well for harmony !!!
 

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Ron didnt Alan Otters group the National Carp Club form after NASG, and be careful how you answer this because I`m just about to post a letter off to Alan, haha?

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Monk,
Yes, I think you're right on both points mate. I let my membership slide by the end of the first year.
I don't know for certain, but I believe it folded by the third year.
Huge ego's don't bode well for harmony !!!

haha goodness Derek you must have had some huge trebles in those days for them big bream, lol
 

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Ron didnt Alan Otters group the National Carp Club form after NASG, and be careful how you answer this because I`m just about to post a letter off to Alan, haha?

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haha goodness Derek you must have had some huge trebles in those days for them big bream, lol
Only when I used them for livebait mate. :D:D
 

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I wish me old mate Eric would have written his book on the organised big fish moment, I was pushing him for years, he made a few attempts which I still have here, lots of information, but not enough, he certainly owed the angling world a book, and he was such a prolific writer, a real unsung hero. As do you Derek, you have so much to offer, You could probably put an excellent book together from your long thread alone, so much history gets lost and it needs to be written by those who were there. Young Ron Clays another one, he keeps threatening to write his book, we are still waiting mate,ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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On histories, Bob Ralph probably started the first Cat group in the UK, sadly it was short lived and I cant remember if it was pre-or post NASG, I have something on it somewhere, I must try to dig it out

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As part of my researches for my pike-fishing history book, I am keen to know when the various single species groups (apart from the Pike Society, which I know about) started life. Groups like the Tenchfishers, the National Anguilla Club, the Barbel Catchers, and the Perch and Chub groups etc. (The BCSG I think I know also.)

It'd be really helpful if anyone has info on this. Thanks to all in advance.


Gordon Burton was a member of the Pike Society, I did a talk alongside Gordon many years ago at one of the local PAC dos, Gordon had some amazing slides in black and white going back to the 50s, definately another chap you need to have a chat with if you are writing pike book
 
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Rons Northern Specimen Hunter group (1962), to give it its orginal name, Eric developed his idea of NASG from NSHG, and the rest is history as they say

Actually we called ourselves initially The Northern Angler's Specimen Hunters Group which I thought was very long winded. But when Eric joined he soon cut the name down to size and it became the Northern Specimen Group.

In actual fact this resulted in a schism in the group which...........

You had better read my book!

Do you know Br. Nicholas I have never heard of the Golden Barbel Club.

The first "Barbel Catchers Club" was most likely the group of friends who fished the Trent along side of JW Martin - The Trent Otter. Such great anglers as Tommy Sunman, Tom Bentley, George Wakeland and "Nottingham" George Holland were in this little band.

And what about FWK Wallis and his band of merry men who fished for the introduced barbel of the Hampshire Avon?
 

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Not quite Ron, the Golden Barbel Club pre-dated the CCC by many years and indeed the odd single specie group did exist prior to 1950, I think the Red Spinners was one of these also? NASG of course brought many of the then single specie groups under one roof when our mate Eric organised the first meeting 24th April 1965 and many groups grew and was formed from this. many of the longer standing groups did have breaks in their history, the original Tenchfishers for instance of 1954 was reformed, so was the Perchfishers and the Barbel catchers. The National Anguilla Club however was formed in December 1962 by Arthur Sutton, I still have the original newsletters, and it progressed after Dr Terry Coulson became involved, Eric was unaware of the National Anguilla Club`s existance at NASGS inception, but the NAC later joined the organisation NASG. The first National Carp Group was formed by Alan Otter I believe under NASGs auspices, known as the National Carp Club, towards the end of the 60s the Winter Carp group formed which appears to have ran into the 1969 BCSG fromed by Eric and Peter Mohan. from Erics notes, Peter tried to join the NCC but his application was turned down, so he asked Eric could he help, the end result was Eric suggested Peter form his own group and together they set up the BCSG. Peter later went on to form the CAA Carp Anglers Club ca 1975. The Carp Society of 1981 was Tim Paisley baby, I`cant remember the co-founder now?, this was the first time the carpman had a truely carp angling group for all and of course the Carp Society took off big time. Eric also formed the Pike Society 1972, which ran into difficulties and was reformed/relaunched as a new body under the PAC banner ca 1977 under Barrie Rickards, Hugh Renolds and Bill Chillingworth. Another significant happening was the formation of Rons Northern Specimen Hunter group (1962), to give it its orginal name, Eric developed his idea of NASG from NSHG, and the rest is history as they say.

Derek wasnt Bob Ivey Kent based, I remember the Bream group, wasnt it short lived though, I still have the original NASG lists?

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Wow! Thanks Ron. Great to talk the other day. I shall call you again on my return from Italy in late September. The chub and perch groups I still need the info on then. I think the Anguilla Club was 1965? Anyone differ?

yes NAC was December 1962, the Perchfishers, the original group formed in the 60s not sure of the date, our present group, to which I was political rep was formed around 83 if I remember rightly, the original group disbanded after the perch desease outbreak in the 70s. A perchfishing club did exist in the 50s, but I have little information about it, it think it was formed under the CCC original tenchfishers group phase? I dont know much about the Chub Study Group but suspect this isnt the original group, going from my NASG/NASA records?

Its funny still having Ron around, younger members would have no idea what a legend we have in our midst, he was certainly mine, not only did Ron form one of the first significant localised group which achived National fame, he also helped out with the concept of the first organisation to encompass all single specie specialists groups, NASG the Mother organisation, but he also brough the bolt rig into this country, so much history and hes still very much alive and kicking, I guess we`ll have to shoot me old mate in the end, haha

Great info there Nick. Anyone got any accurate info when the chub and perch groups were formed? Yes it's amazing how much interest there is in specialist angling history. Do I understand - talking to Ron now - you're saying you are writing a book on the subject at present? I'd love to see some of those archives you have of Eric's doings.
 

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Not sure where you live Graham but I have an attic full of letters and stuff from everybody who was anybody, I was helping Eric write the history, not something I could take on, but most of the information is there, but it would takes months and months of hard work to go through it all, I spent around ten years researching it and got to know plenty of guys from the old school, mainly through Eric.

Ron the Golden Barbel club was one I mentioned to you about ten years ago, you hadnt heard of it then either, haha, it came from the era of the Martins, I have some writings about it somewhere, god knows where though, but it was based on a group of friends. Of interest ron, I still have some letters from various members on norther group letterheaded paper, ones from Chris Tabbron (Manchester Specimen group), in the late 60s, a reply from Eric about Yorkshire Barbel and the research your group was doing, all very scientific and ahead of its time. I also have Dr Terry Coulsons Yorkshire tench research papers, its like a thesis, lol
 
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Hi Graham, A brief history of the Chub Study Group is on our web site HERE
The complete CSG history is now on CD as well as in a great big loose-leaf folder, members only though I'm afraid.

Stewart Allum, a CSG member, was a founder member of the Perchfishers, I think. Another CSG member Fred Sykes is a fountain of knowledge when it comes to specimen angling history (I'm far too young) Fred is not on the internet but I could put you in touch if needed. I know Fred was writing up the history of coarse clubs of the North East...and the do-do.

Whilst on the subject of SS/Specimen Groups, is there anyone else out there who feels like me the AT has let specimen/specialist angling down badly?
 
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ah thats was the one, The National Chub Specimen Group I remember it now, a nice history with some great names outlined in it. Is Stewart Allum still around, not heard anything of him for years and yes Fred is certainly a wealth of knowledge, ran the Carlisle Specimen group, both lovely chaps
 

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Stewart is still very much about, a real gent and fishes a lot with Matt H when he's in the UK.
Stewart was featured on FM not too long ago with the biggest salmon taken from a British river (Hants Avon) for over 30 years ...and taken by design on fly.


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The fish actually smashed his Avon's so he settled on 32lb-12oz

Stewart gave a lovely tribute to our late President Charles Landells on behalf of the CSG at his final get together in Ringwood last December. Many members of the Group attended Charlies funeral and had a drink or two, another of the old guard gone.

Fred was/is primarily responsible for putting the Group History together and is still chubbing away on the Annan. I often said I'd have hated to have been his first patient after he'd finished a nights fishing. He would often fish to 4-5am then go back and start drilling/pulling teeth :eek:
 
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I fished with Fred a few times .... I think it was on the Cheshire Meres or may have been on the Severn ......it was a long time ago...... and met him a few times at the 'Coventry Specimen Group Bacchanalias' --in fact we bedded down at Merv Wilkinson's house after the festivities ......

Glad to hear he's still alive and fishing -- Pass my regards on to him when you see him next please John .....
 

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I went to one of the Cov. Specimen Group stag nights, organised by good old Merv of course. I'll never forget it. The Brummie comedian and those professional ladies!!

One of today's best known anglers - I daren't mention the name, was stripped by one of these women!
 

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I went to one of the Cov. Specimen Group stag nights, organised by good old Merv of course. I'll never forget it. The Brummie comedian and those professional ladies!!

One of today's best known anglers - I daren't mention the name, was stripped by one of these women!


I went with Graham to quite a few of them and a couple on my own ........ There certainly were some 'carryings on' at them -- I had to get up and 'perform' at one of them with a big fat big breasted buxom blonde pianist ....

The strippers used to get up from the floor after writhing around performing, with cigarette ends and ash stuck to some strange places ......

Bloody good nights they were !!
 

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Stewart is still very much about, a real gent and fishes a lot with Matt H when he's in the UK.
Stewart was featured on FM not too long ago with the biggest salmon taken from a British river (Hants Avon) for over 30 years ...and taken by design on fly.


Huge%20Avon%20salmon%20(1).jpg


The fish actually smashed his Avon's so he settled on 32lb-12oz

Stewart gave a lovely tribute to our late President Charles Landells on behalf of the CSG at his final get together in Ringwood last December. Many members of the Group attended Charlies funeral and had a drink or two, another of the old guard gone.

Fred was/is primarily responsible for putting the Group History together and is still chubbing away on the Annan. I often said I'd have hated to have been his first patient after he'd finished a nights fishing. He would often fish to 4-5am then go back and start drilling/pulling teeth :eek:


Thanks very much for the update John, yes hes pulled a few knashers in his time Fred, lol, glad to hear Stewart is still around, he seems to have been around forever, because of his name he was always in pole position on the NASG lists haha

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I fished with Fred a few times .... I think it was on the Cheshire Meres or may have been on the Severn ......it was a long time ago...... and met him a few times at the 'Coventry Specimen Group Bacchanalias' --in fact we bedded down at Merv Wilkinson's house after the festivities ......

Glad to hear he's still alive and fishing -- Pass my regards on to him when you see him next please John .....

I think you could write a few good tales too Ed, you certainly achieve cult status in the 70s

a hell of a wealth of guys on this site from the day when you think about it, FM must surely rule the roost in experienced anglers

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I went with Graham to quite a few of them and a couple on my own ........ There certainly were some 'carryings on' at them -- I had to get up and 'perform' at one of them with a big fat big breasted buxom blonde pianist ....

The strippers used to get up from the floor after writhing around performing, with cigarette ends and ash stuck to some strange places ......

Bloody good nights they were !!


God, I was born too late
 
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