Angling Banned

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Again, I must point out that FM?s pages are open to anyone who has a view on this or any other matter that may have a bearing on the General Election. If no one from Labour or the Lib Dems, or any other party, chooses to reply to this article in depth, in an article, or make their own views known, it is their choice.
 

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I have contacted the Labour Party and the Lib Dems with links to the above article and this article and invited them to reply.
 
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Ron 'The Hat' Clay

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I wonder if they will reply?

I am trying to get a response from the Conservative Party regarding their official stance on angling.
 
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john ledger

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Graham
the trouble with anglers in general is we are split into too many groups and it seems never the twain shall meet.
We have the sea angler trout angler specimen hunter match angler carp etc all doing our own thing with no direction from any organised body.
Some anglers are tight,spend thousands on tackle but will avoid paying fot licence club book day ticket if they can get away with it.The old adage divide and fall springs to mind but after saying all that i think angling will survive due mainly to numbers. Lets get a few Muslims interested in angling ,it will never be banned then
 
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Nigel Connor(ACA ,SAA)

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Much to comment on and digest.

One preliminary point is that any movement to ban angling lacks the driving force behind much of the parliamentary impetus to ban hunting - the class issue.
 
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swordsy

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Good solid points and as Nigel says much to digest, I have been mocked for forseeing the end of angling, it will come if we do not act!

The labour party will not respond directly to any specific question, I have tried many times to get a straight answer and all I got was "donate ?70 to save a nurse"

answers for questions never asked
 
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I was going to write a letter to Coarse Fisherman regarding PETA,after much thought i decided not to bother because i would be giving PETA to much respect and quite simply they do not deserve any
 

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The time frame seems to be right inasmuch as it only took 12 years to ban the Hunting of Foxes with Hounds in England from the first bill presented before Parliament.

The class issue is still very much apparent with Socialist MP's as far as game fishing is concerned, although thankfully not regading Coarse fishing.
 

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Sadly, I think David Myles is correct in his prediction that angling will eventually be banned - I doubt, however, that it will happen within the next 12 years or so. David's warnings regarding the campaigns likely to be mounted against us by anti-angling groups will, I'm sure, have an effect on public opinion and slwly turn the tide against us. Trouble is, some of the anti-angling arguments are difficult to defend: litter, damage to wildlife from discarded line and hooks, overstocked commercial fisheries, retention of fish in keepnets, live-baiting etc.

My guess is that angling will certainly be banned within 50 years; possibly within 25 years. I don't envisage a much shorter time-frame, however.
 

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PS. I should have added repeat captures to the "difficult to defend" list. Some carp are caught an absolutely ludicrous number of times, often resulting in mouth deformities. If someone like myself, a keen angler, finds that objectionable, it isn't difficult to guess how it will play with the non-angling public. objectionable, and
 
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The only thing this thread was short on was
7 Days to save Angling ? Vote Conservative -
Support the Countryside Alliance
 
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The Monk

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Angling is a multi million pound industry and although I dont believe it will be banned outright, I do think it will be severly restricted in the ways in which we now practice this sport and anglings biggest enemy is of course apathy, the devil from within.
 
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I want to read David's article in a bit more detail later, he made some good points on the other thread though.

Strange because John Ellis of TFCC made a (joking) speech at the February meeting saying that anglign would be banned in 25 years time, after the licence had just gone up to ?460 for the year, etc.

One or two of our committee people on the TVAA also think that fishing on rivers will be banned leaving only fishing onvery private land, most likely commercials etc.

I'm not so sure, but I agree with Monk, our own apathy will kill the sport if nothing is done. That's why I want to see FACT succeed.

Just yesterday I was contacted by a lady who wondered if I could give a talk and slideshow on how the rivers are kept clean. What an opportunity, 20-30 ladies wanting to know that, but couple it also with a bit of PR for fishing and you might get quite a few sympathisers out of them. I passed her details to her local EA fisheries team as they already have some information and willing speakers. It made me think though, I must put something together in case I'm asked again!




Might be one or two good lookers amongst 'em as well. Oops.
 

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I was feeling quite happy until I read that article, what a black picture you paint for future anglers.

I would like to be able to say it will never happen but that funny feeling inside tells me it could and may well happen. It has been the trend to let minority views outweigh the majority by successive governments but more especially the labour and liberal parties. Labour, with their nanny state laws, passed, despite not being what the country as a whole wants and the liberals with their attitude of ban everything that looks like enjoyment for the masses.

I think it bodes ill for angling not because its cruel but because a minority view will have more sway than the majority view, and in that repect I agree with most of what you say, most but not all.
 
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Nigel Connor(ACA ,SAA)

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Jim makes a very good point.A lot of the stuff David claimed the antis would make use of such as overcrowded waters, discarded line and of course litter is not something that they make up.Its handed to them on a plate by us!

I've heard the argument that by shining a light on some our sports less savoury characteristics it somehow stretghens the antis case.This is nonsense.There are issues we need to sort out from within as if not, then we will suffer the consequences.It may not be a total ban but will certainly lead to restrictions.

Whether the sport can do this remains to be seen.
 
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Quote: Might be one or two good lookers amongst 'em as well. Oops.

Jeff please pass my number on:)

I've got nothing to add buy WELL SAID JIM!!
 

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Good points well made, The only way to defeat these people is to get our own act in order, promote the benefits and values of our sport and speak with one voice. If we don't then the end is truly nigh
 

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does anyone think solidarity is the answer i personally dont egthe hunt lobby where are they now and that again was part of a large industry there would seem to be two answers both linked the first is get the hell away from brussels and secondly find a party who stand by what they say is there such an animal?
 
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Laurie Harper

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Thank goodnes a few people have started talking sense here. If we want to preserve angling, our first job is to put our house in order. While I appreciate that sabs and antis will shamelessly use pictures of birds trapped in discarded line, fish with deformed mouths, etc, to promote their own ends, we can hardly complain because we, as Nigel points out, hand it to them on a plate. And for heaven's sake, let's drop the cliches about "nanny states" and the digs at the left, etc, etc. Is anyone naive enough to think that a Tory (or any other government) would ignore massive public pressure to move against angling if they thought it would save their political skins? Most animal welfare charities draw a lot of their membership from nice, respectable conservative voters, a lot of whom don't like us nasty, common anglers and would be very happy to see us outlawed. It's no good out indulging in petty political points scoring and saloon bar rhetoric on this or any other site.
 
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