Small river, big fish - what's the best rod?

MarkTheSpark

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I'm looking for an 11-footer with some grunt, really - a bit of a hit-and-hold quivertip weapon . But I'm well out of touch with what's on the market.

Anyone using a similar rod that doesn't cost the earth and is good to use? Even better if it's a twin-tip...
 

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Er, as this is in the Barbel section, barbel. They're quite big - certainly an eight-pounder among them - and there are lots of snags to contend with.
 

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Er, as this is in the Barbel section, barbel. They're quite big - certainly an eight-pounder among them - and there are lots of snags to contend with.

I would say a rod with a 2lb test would do the job. There's lot's of the rods your after out there it's just a case of which one takes your fancy. Iuse some old carp rods for the purpose you describe...daiwa tournament whisker kevlars in 1.75 and 2 1/4 test as they're a soft through action enabling you to just hold on and watch the rod bend back and forth :)
I've heard some good reports about the JW Youngs barbel rods and they've been going very cheap on ebay, may be worth a look for you !
 

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Now,let me quantify this;
I do fish a small river for Barbel,it is fairly shallow and in places quite snaggy.I don't say this rod is perfect for all situations but I have had fish to just under 12lbs and it did quite well BUT I cannot say I felt in control the whole time(who does though?)...if you know what I mean...

The rod is a Drennan 12' Big Feeder bought a few years ago now with twin tips-one glass and one carbon I think..
The length does help with steering the fish to an extent and when holding fish quite hard it also does okay.I have not lost a fish with it and I wouldn't be without it.

I'm sure others will recommend as well and I will be interested to see what is offered....


ps..............'lots of snags'-perhaps you might need more power but will a quivertip really do that for you??
 

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Now,let me quantify this;
I do fish a small river for Barbel,it is fairly shallow and in places quite snaggy.I don't say this rod is perfect for all situations but I have had fish to just under 12lbs and it did quite well BUT I cannot say I felt in control the whole time(who does though?)...if you know what I mean...

The rod is a Drennan 12' Big Feeder bought a few years ago now with twin tips-one glass and one carbon I think..
The length does help with steering the fish to an extent and when holding fish quite hard it also does okay.I have not lost a fish with it and I wouldn't be without it.

I'm sure others will recommend as well and I will be interested to see what is offered....


ps..............'lots of snags'-perhaps you might need more power but will a quivertip really do that for you??



If it's gotta be a quiver tip then the big feeders are good but i'd go for the im8 feeder....just a personal favourite:). Thing is TC our rods arn't in production nowadays so it would have to be the bay or small adds to get one.

Check this one out from Fox

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-FOX-DUO-L...tingGoods_FishingAcces_RL&hash=item5adaa09c67
 
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How much money have you got to spend Mark?

I'm ace at spending other people's money!
 

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Free Spirit Specialist Advanced. It's 11ft and you can get a spare quiver top if you want one.

Not cheap but the best never are. Best? Well, it feels like a stick to hold, but it does have some grunt to handle the big girls - 12lbs 15ozs so far. Nice curve with a fish on.
 

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Free Spirit Specialist Advanced. It's 11ft and you can get a spare quiver top if you want one.

Not cheap but the best never are. Best? Well, it feels like a stick to hold, but it does have some grunt to handle the big girls - 12lbs 15ozs so far. Nice curve with a fish on.

I have to say that I own two Free Spirit Stepped Up (1.75lb) Specialists both with extra quiver tip top sections. These are the older models with the chestnut colored blank. They just feel "right" and balanced in the hand if you know what I mean. They are by far the best pair of rods I've owned. The avon tips are fairly thick to look at but yet are very responsive to showing bites. As you say they do have a very nice curve when you get a fish on and you can really bully them with these when you have to.
 

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i have been using wychwood barbel rods for the last 3 years mostly for fishing on the trent mine are 1.75 tc and although not 11 feet (12) or quivertip they do show small bites up well, the swims i have used them on have been very snaggy and the rod has the power to keep the fish out of them, i have had fish to over 15lbs from snaggy swims with these rods and they dont cost the earth,they stand up to a lot of abuse wich they have to as i am rough on my tackle.
 

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Thanks for that tip Royffey. I'm at the budget end so the Rovex does look spot on.

I already have s superb Harrison-blank barbel rod but I've broken off 5 inches of the tip (usual line-wrapped-round-the-rod accident). I am still trying nto find someone who can splice in another tip, or even sell me a tip I can splice in myself.

Meanwhile, I'm going shopping for an 11-foot Rovex Barbel - as long as nobody comes on to say their cr@p
 

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You have to ask what you're trying to 'pull' in tems of force exerted. All these different rods with different TCs will exert a different force for various reasons. There's a good article on BFW about this. My 11 ft custom Harrions are 1.5tc but will exert a certain amount of power while 'cushioning' lunges. I'd prefer that to a nominally 'stronger' 2lb tc rod. Expensive business, sadly, but if you're really into it - Angler's Workshop, Newcastle Under Lyme.

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Oh, he'll fix your rod for you too!!!!

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Not finished yet - I too have the FS rods, the 'Specialist Advanced' 1.5 and a 1.75 'stepped up' - they can't exert the force of the Harrison's tho they are v nice. I use the 1.75 for heavier leads, the other is going on fleabay soon tho it has a carrier section and three tips too, it won't be particualrly cheap therefore!!
 

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Mark if you're on a budget keep your eye open for a Diawa WKS 2lb tc 11 footer. These rods predated the Whisker Kevin Nash and are possibly one of the best all round barbel rods (completely by accident!) ever made. They have a nice through action with enough power in the butt to bully a fish when necessary. Most of the early to mid 90s Diawa carp rods make excellent barbel rods and they are as cheap as chips now.
 

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Top recommendations. I rteally do like the look of the TFG compacts, Paul. What's your initial impression from the time-honoured bending them on the ceiling and whipping them around a bit? Finish OK? Price certainly is!

And thanks, Sean. I've done the fleabay search and nothing yet. But I'll keep looking.
 

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Hi Mark

The quivers come in Light, Medium and Heavy rating probably 2,3and 4oz but not stated so would be ok for the fishing you mention.

The avon top is sturdy looking and would certainly take 10lb line.

I fished with it at 8ft using the avon top and waggler float last Saturday but only for a short time - more to test it then in hopes of catching (I had set up my 10ft bomb wand for the fishing) and the rod was very light. I had on my Stratic 2500 reel and fishing a canal and first cast hit the far bank with a gentle over head cast.

The rod will come into it's own on the Rother with tight swims and restricted casting (which is why I bought it)

Over all I'd say it's a nice light rod capable of tackling decent fish (someone send me a pm thru FM to recommend the rod when I was looking for a decent short rod and they said they had even used it for small lures and spinners)

The finish is of the normal TFG standard and once I've fished with it a bit I might get the 10ft compact match rod for waggler fishing small stillwaters
 
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I bought a TFG compact all-rounder after having a days fishing with Mark Todd,he's caught some reasonable barbel on his and i liked the action/lightness of the rod,i got mine for £45+ postage off of fleabay and am well pleased.
 

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You have to ask what you're trying to 'pull' in tems of force exerted. All these different rods with different TCs will exert a different force for various reasons. There's a good article on BFW about this. My 11 ft custom Harrions are 1.5tc but will exert a certain amount of power while 'cushioning' lunges. I'd prefer that to a nominally 'stronger' 2lb tc rod.

Good point. The amount of power you can exert with a rod is not determined solely by test curve. A rod which reaches a quarter circle under a loading of about two pounds will, in theory, apply more pressure than a rod of equal length which takes just one and a half pounds to pull to the same curve. So far so good. Now for the odd bit.

Most rods are held about twenty inches from the extreme butt. The rod acts as a lever, with the fulcrum at the butt. It follows therefore that the more powerful the rod, the greater the leverage on the angler's arm. Matters are further complicated by rod length and shape of curve. The longer the rod, the more leverage is applied, all other things being equal. The tippier the action, the further from the fulcrum is the start of the curve.

An angler can apply the most stopping power to a fish with a handline. As soon as a rod is involved, the application of power is transferred to a point some distance away from the angler's hand, and the further it moves away, the greater the loss. What happens when you use your free hand to support the rod a couple of feet above the reel position? You relieve the strain on the rod-holding hand, that's what.

A through-action rod bends further down towards the butt than a tippy one. A softer rod bends further than a powerful one. The nearer to your hand the bend comes, the more efficient the use of the force you apply becomes. That's why people find they can land fish more quickly on through-actioned rods of sensible length than they can with more powerful or longer ones.

The only reason for increasing the stiffness or length of a rod is to enable casting heavy baits or leads, or to reach further.
 

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Mark, if you can find a kevin nash (Hooligan) 1.25 tc at eleven foot you will have as good a piece of kit as you will need, it'll have no probs in stopping those bigger Barbel. Not knocking any of the other choices that have been sugested, merely giving you a wider choice of what may suit you.
 
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