Angling trust fish legal put subs up

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Adult Membership subscription rates have remained at £20 for the first two years of the Angling Trust’s existence. The Board of Directors has agreed that individual membership rates should be increased to £25 next year.
About £1 of this increase is because inflation over the past two years has increased the costs of printing, stationery, wages and all the other costs associated with running a membership organisation.
In addition, the organisation is now doing far more for angling than we were capable of when we first launched and we are offering new membership benefits that are worth much more than the new rate. New adult individual members and renewals will remain at £20 until January 2011.

Fish Legal
Currently, 45% (i.e. £9) of individual membership subscriptions supports the work of Fish Legal, the other £11 paying for the Angling Trust’s activities. From 2011, £10 (40%) of the new £25 subscription will go to Fish Legal and £15 to the Angling Trust, to ensure that the cost of administering and marketing memberships can be met, and leaving enough funds to pay for all the other work of the Trust.


£20 is too much it always was to much which is probably one of the reasons not many joined,

25 pound is now to much for me so i will not now renew my membership,when it expires
 

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It is sad to see an increase in individual subscriptions, although if you 'do the math' then you will easily see that; for those of us who were indvidual members of the ACA we paid around £20 per annum, we simply couldn't see how the ACA (fish legal) could continue at the reduced annual income.

And, please don't insult my intelligence with the 'economy of scale' argument, because it simply doesn't work!

Even under the new subscription regime I fail to see how the ACA (sorry, Fish Legal) can function at its' old rate.

In my opinion the annual fees ought to be around £40 to £50 which would be in line with other organisations, e.g. Countryside Alliance and the Trout and Salmon Association.

If you (we) want a proper, well organised, professional representational body then it is going to cost a damn sight more than even these proposed current fees!

Don't leave now, even at these new rates the Angling Trust represents terrific value.
 
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Peter,

As you and I said when the AT was getting ready to start, where are the members going to come from ???
 

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i think that ray is correct in that numbers will fall with people loosing their jobs all over the country their priorities will change if they have a family then
the ATs sadly will come second best to paying bills to keep the family warm and fed with a roof over their head,new members will join i am sure but whether it will be enough to balance the ones leaving im not so sure, it does seem rather silly to increase the subscriptions by 25% in todays economic climate when the origanal £20 was the reason given by some anglers for not joining, there will always be a hard core of members the rest of the membership will stay fluid as now,i know of people that are members but will not be renewing their membership because of the price increase others say they dont think the ATs does enough although how they expect them to without the funds needed i dont know.
 

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It appears to me, and I'm not alone, that the ATr has a CEO that takes no notice of what anglers want or need, even the Board is disregarded ... just ask why so many Directors resigned over the first 18 months. Even some of the 'magnificent seven' gave up trying! One said to me he will no longer support the ATr publicly, so just what is happening?

For those who did not read Martin Reads 'Last Word' in the Angling Star last month its copied below. I know that Martin, as a Director of the ATr, fought hard for what he believed but he just gave up banging his head and getting nowhere. I know from the e-mails I've received from the CEO he is totally dismissive of what I beleive the Trust should be doing with regards to Specimen/Specialist angling/anglers, even to the point of being arrogant.

Please remember these are not my words and were published for all to read

LAST WORD : October 10
The ink had hardly dried on my last month’s column about the Angling Trust when I received a call from someone close to their heart who told me something that leads me to believe that the organisation has finally lost all sense of reason.

But before I go into detail let me ask you a couple of questions, the replies to which will confirm if my thinking is sensible or if I’ve completely misread the current economic situation and how ordinary anglers and clubs think.

Imagine for a moment that you run a small business. Things are not too good, the economic outlook is poor and you’re in an era of financial constraint, if that’s not an understatement. As a result people are wondering if they will remain in employment, let alone get a pay rise, and your sales to individual customers, who are the so called basis of your business, are going down, other than to those who cannot go elsewhere to purchase your goods. In addition other small businesses, who are keeping your business afloat to a great degree, are suffering too, both as a result of people spending less and because of increasing competition from commercial operations.
It is a difficult time, but to avoid going under some decisions have to be made.
Do you, hold prices and have an all out effort to increase membership across the board, including seeking new customers from a different sector? Or do you put up prices, almost across the board, tell your customers you know what’s best for them, and then also do a deal with one small sector of a market you ought to be breaking into despite it almost certainly upsetting the rest of that sector, with the result that new business from the remainder is not only unlikely but near on impossible?

Now just for a moment imagine the company needing to take decisions is the Angling Trust.
That all those individual customers are anglers, worried about jobs, money etc, and those small businesses angling clubs, being squeezed by commercials, while the potential new market consists of small tackle shops who in turn are under pressure from larger mail order companies.
Whatever the scenario the phrase ‘no-brainer’ springs to mind to me. But obviously not to the Angling Trust, or their Chief Executive Mark Lloyd, who recently announced that the Trust has decided to increase individual membership fees from £20 to £25, a mere 25% increase! Contrast this with the Environment Agency who recently decided that an increase in the price of a rod licence was not a good idea the moment, or the BBC who have pegged T.V. licence fees while cutting salaries for their executives. Does the Trust seriously think that in today’s climate, with individual membership falling, that that is the right thing to do, or are they happy to screw another £5 out of match anglers just wanting to fish the National or Fish’O’Mania?
In addition Mark Lloyd also announced that the fees for member clubs will also be increased, but will in future include the cost of belonging to Fish Legal and paying club insurance. In principle this means that clubs that are already paying their insurance through the Trust and are members of Fish Legal will have a saving, albeit small in some cases. But, that clubs who do either only one or neither of these options, which is probably more than half the clubs who are currently members, will face some staggering increases, in cases of up to 400%! (that club increase is now withdrawn but we do not as yet know its replacement JH)

Now it’s true that the deal that the Trust offer on insurance is a good one, but not necessarily the best. I know a number of clubs with better deals who will resent the Trust telling them what they must or must not do.
Similarly I’ve heard the arguments about supporting the good work that Fish Legal does on everyone’s behalf many times before, but Fish Legal already receive £9, or 45% of the current £20 individual membership fee. A secret that most members who think their £20 goes to the Trust have been kept unaware of until quite recently. And in view of this latest move one has to ask if the Angling Trust isn’t simply becoming a cash cow for Fish Legal?
And then to cap it off there was a further announcement that the Trust has done a deal with a major tackle store that specialises in mail order, to offer between 15 and 20% discount to AT members on the basis that members will, when they purchase goods, soon recoup their individual increases. At face value this seems like a real kick in the whatsits for local shops and flies in the face of previous policy which was to encourage local tackle shops to join AT and to sell membership to customers. As such it will positively deter the smaller tackle shops, upon whom we all depend for bait, bits and pieces etc, from saying anything good at all about AT. And AT obviously fail to realise that most shops will match discounts for loyal customers anyway.
Finding these ideas somewhat unbelievable I contacted the Trust to ascertain the situation. My first contact was unable to comment, other than saying the AT Board had been sworn to secrecy and suggesting I contact Mark Lloyd, who was on holiday, for comment. Instead I e-mailed the Chairman Mike Heylin who responded by stating, ‘I can't confirm the prices for next year as the board is still discussing various proposals. I will add your comments into the mix in the debate on the future’. Other board members have made similar comments.
Despite this, Mark Lloyd told a meeting in the Midlands that an explanatory letter setting out the benefits was to be sent to members this month, October. One wonders who is running the Angling Trust, the Board or the Chief Executive?
Whoever it is can I seek a plea for sanity? Not for the first time I believe your business plan is seriously flawed. Please, please, think very carefully before implementing these price increases. You are in grave danger of alienating both your individual and club customers, especially the larger ones, many of whom don’t want or need your insurance deal, and believe that Fish Legal should stand alone, being paid for the work it does for A.T. rather than being subsidised.
And there is another dimension, losing members, especially clubs, could have a major effect not only on income but also on competitions and the Angling Development Board’s work on club development.
 
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a very interesting read

"the AT board has been sworn to secrecy" bothers me as to me it suggests that the decision to increase membership costs by 25% had already been taken but was being kept secret as they knew that it would probably put anglers off joining and also cause some existing members not to rejoin,the increase is a bad decision that will see membership fall,what will happen then further increases to make up the shortfall in funds?
 

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A 25% increase is a BAD move in these difficult times. I'd rather they dropped off the 3rd Party Insurance benefit than put the price up.

I'll join again, but that will be the last of my 3 years that I promised I would give it. I want to see some real development by 2012 otherwise .......

But I still wish it the very best of luck, it's all that we have got and heaven help us if it fails.
 

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I'd rather they dropped off the 3rd Party Insurance benefit than put the price up.

I sincerely hope that if I ever get struck on the head by a wayward cast of a 3 ounce lead that the owner has got 3rd Party Insurance Liability cover!

Without the cover provided by the Angling Trust I doubt that many anglers have private cover.

Regarding the increase to 25 pounds per annum; that is less that 7p per day (6.849 to be precise) so it is hardly a King's Ransom now, is it?

What can one get for a little less than 48 pence per week?

Consider the cost of a few kilos of boilies, a couple of pints of maggot, or Caster and then compare the value against annual membership of the Angling Trust.

No contest really, is it!
 

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And AT obviously fail to realise that most shops will match discounts for loyal customers anyway.

What a sweeping and unsubstantianted* comment ! Some, maybe if you buy an awful lot, but most ? Do me a favour !

*this is now my word of the day and rumours that I wont use it at every chance are, at the moment, unsubstantiated.
 

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Taxi for Angling Trust then...........

If only for believing that a 25% increase in subscriptions will both retain current members and attract new ones.

As I said (and still firmly believe) in this article a while ago, why have the EA and the AT ? Opinion

Put a levy on the Rod Licence (£5, £10, whatever) and pay it straight into the AT's coffers, or don't bother. It's the only way to beat angling apathy, make membership compulsory, or not at all.
 

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a levy is probably the only way that the ATs will ever be funded to the extent that it needs but then some wont buy a licence (as stated by forum mebers before)
 

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why have the EA and the AT ?
Different strokes, different purposes. I was asking an EA man this back in October, he appreciates the good of what the AT are doing, but in no way could the AT do what the EA are doing. And "NO" was his emphatic answer to "Should there be a levy on the licence?"

In the end, the ultimate bosses of the EA are the Government, but the ultimate bosses of the AT (I'd like to think) are us, anglers. One carries out the policy of the Government and the other tries to change that policy by lobbying. Understand these two sides and you're halfway to understanding why they are two different bodies for two different jobs and yet both worthwhile to anglers.
 

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I also read that the main people fish legal take, erm, legal action on is th EA. Is that true ? If it is that blows the EA and AT as bed fellows.
 

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I sincerely hope that if I ever get struck on the head by a wayward cast of a 3 ounce lead that the owner has got 3rd Party Insurance Liability cover!

Without the cover provided by the Angling Trust I doubt that many anglers have private cover.

Actually most will Peter, check out your household/buildings insurance cover. I specifically checked my Public Liability and it covers me for any such occurrence.

As Jeff has confirmed, I too said I would give it 3 years, but I'm getting to feel a bit like Martin R did.

I desperately hope it does succeed but I find very little in the Trust that appeals to me at the moment.
Whether the subscription is £10/£20/£30 or whatever Peter, (and no, I'm not well off, just on a basic pension, thanks Mrs T my pension Co went tits up) that is not the issue for me, I feel as though my side of angling has been totally abandoned whilst other disciplines are supported and promoted

It's almost as though those of us that came from the SAA side in the 'Unity' process never existed. Just try putting specialist/specimen angling in the ATr top search bar and see what it throws up. I had one hell of a battle to get the CSG listed on it's Links page. Do a little searching and the S&TA gets 3-4 whole pages!!!! Am I bitter, you can bet your $loody life I am.

I lied, I found: 'Specimen Sea Fish Award Scheme 2010'
 
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First post, here we go!

I first joined the ACA in the early seventies and could never understand how anybody who fished in freshwater could consider not joining! Silly me, even an organisation whose only remit was to use the law to protect angling could only muster about 17,000 members at most and I believe that it was down to 9000 by the turn of the century. Without the ACA, much of what we take for granted now wouldn’t exist, especially if you fish rivers.

More money to Fish Legal? Yes please. It’s the rest of the ATr concerns me.

The £25 honestly doesn’t cause me a problem and, in itself, I don’t think that it will for most people (a few maybe but most, probably not). The biggest danger as I see it is that ‘The Voice of Angling’ rarely speaks. We need savvy political leadership, a vision and a cause to get behind. The ATr doesn’t tick that box at the moment. If it did it would be worth much more than £25 a year.

However, if you are disillusioned already, the extra fiver will probably give you the excuse you need to leave and it’s not going to help in recruitment.

We do need a voice, the clouds are gathering.

By the way, what ever happened to the Magnificent Seven?
 

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i did the search that you suggested john and it came up with ZERO nothing,i am absolutley amazed that there is nothing to do with the specimen branch of our sport and you are right its as if we dont exist,i also searched s&ta and there were 32 results why this should be i have no idea, to say i am dissapionted would be an understatement,you say you will give it 3 years,i doubt the ATs will have anywhere near the membership they have now at the end of 3 years. its natural for people to ask what will i get out of it when considering joining? they may know that the overall health of angling needs representation but they will still want to know that their branch of angling is being represented by the organisation they partly fund,im afraid i am becoming increasingly dissalusioned with the ATs and i suspect i am not alone.
 

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My membership has recently been renewed by direct debit.
Just made sure my next years is not automaticly renewed, I'll make my mind up at that time.

From a firm supporter of the ACA and of Fish Legal, I find the % fund switch that has occured is not what I signed up for.
 
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