Will do Matt, once again thank's for the input. Lookin at ur profile u like river fishing, i was planing a trip along the river 7 next month as never really tryed river fishing had an chubb be4 but never a barbel. Heard they fight like hell! i live close to the river 7 (ironbridge,brigdenorth)and a lot of good size barbel been catched. Any tips on bait and rigs? I've been told carp tackle is basicly the same, is this true. I'm lookin forward to going, never no a might get hooked like i did with carp! Once again cheer's Matt 4 all the advice.