Thanks for the reply TC, ok- give me a day or so and I will try again, as you say good luck is whats needed.Re the blue polystyrene, yes I used the floats the other day and they are a joy. The poly ones I find much harder to shape but as the stuff was just waiting in a skip to be "ratted" it seemed a shame to let it go by without re-cycling it sooner than go to landfill. We used to use it back in the sixties for floatmaking but I think it fell out of favour as its such a b----r to work with. If it were possible to find where you are I would send you one if (its a big "If") I ever make any again. Right now I am right out of crowquills which reminds me I must have a word with my friend on the farm.