Is it yours to claim

flightliner · Mar 15, 2011

You arrive at your chosen spot with your angling partner, arrange your gear, tackle up, put a little bait in and cast to it.
You then realise that you have left some gear in the car so ask your friend to keep an eye on your tackle while you go back to the car.
While you are away a fish take the bait and when you come back your mate as landed the fish of a lifetime.
Question---- who claims the fish---angler A--- angler B--- or no-one???

pertinaxone · Mar 15, 2011

flightliner said:
You arrive at your chosen spot with your angling partner, arrange your gear, tackle up, put a little bait in and cast to it.
You then realise that you have left some gear in the car so ask your friend to keep an eye on your tackle while you go back to the car.
While you are away a fish take the bait and when you come back your mate as landed the fish of a lifetime.
Question---- who claims the fish---angler A--- angler B--- or no-one???

Options:

1) If you`re that worried about it, you should have brought the cast back in and left it out of the water on going to the car.

2) Ask your mate to go back to the car for you.

3) (And the right one in my opinion) Give your mate the credit, face up to the loss and learn for next time!

I have known people have a similar situation (when having a coffee or going for a pee) and they come back and take the rod off their mate half way through the fight!!! And then claim the fish!!!

Jason

peter crabtree · Mar 15, 2011

I would not let the situation happen in the first place. Most fisheries and club waters have a rule - No rods to be left unattended..........

Chevin · Mar 15, 2011

Aside from any club rules, how could anyone claim a fish caught by someone else, no matter who owned the tackle. I have landed fish on tackle owned by friends and friends have landed fish on mine. There has never been any question as to who caught the fish.

woody · Mar 15, 2011

I'd congratulate him.

Then kill him!

Chevin · Mar 15, 2011

woody said:
I'd congratulate him.

Then kill him!

Yeah, well, but you wouldn't argue the point would you?

woody · Mar 15, 2011

Chevin said:
but you wouldn't argue the point would you?

You don't fishing with FG, he claims the potential catch before he leaves.

noknot · Mar 15, 2011

No one can claim it, you need to do it all your self.....

Chevin · Mar 15, 2011

woody said:
You don't fishing with FG, he claims the potential catch before he leaves.

I used to go fishing with an FG in the 1950s and early '60s. Is that the same one?

Mithrandir · Mar 15, 2011

An interesting question.

I think it depends on how you see the skill in fishing.

Is it choosing the spot?
Is it selecting the right baiting strategy?
Is it casting to the correct spot?
Is it bait presentation?
Or is it how you play the fish in and land it?

Luck plays a part in all of these, getting on the fish on first cast is more knowledge and luck than skill, but playing the fish of a lifetime on light tackle is mainly skill.

If that fish of a lifetime was foul hooked would either of you have claimed it?

Personally I would say it was a team effort but the one bringing it to the net has the ultimate claim on any kudos.

That said, different styles of fishing require different skills, float fishing on light gear is a different game to the strategy and technique of sitting out the trapping of carp.

So now I have stirred up all the "specialist" anglers, I would love to hear what others really think is the key point to getting the fish of a lifetime, luck, skill or good strategy????

Chevin · Mar 15, 2011

Mithrandir said:
An interesting question.

I think it depends on how you see the skill in fishing.

Is it choosing the spot?
Is it selecting the right baiting strategy?
Is it casting to the correct spot?
Is it bait presentation?
Or is it how you play the fish in and land it?

Luck plays a part in all of these, getting on the fish on first cast is more knowledge and luck than skill, but playing the fish of a lifetime on light tackle is mainly skill.

If that fish of a lifetime was foul hooked would either of you have claimed it?

Personally I would say it was a team effort but the one bringing it to the net has the ultimate claim on any kudos.

That said, different styles of fishing require different skills, float fishing on light gear is a different game to the strategy and technique of sitting out the trapping of carp.

So now I have stirred up all the "specialist" anglers, I would love to hear what others really think is the key point to getting the fish of a lifetime, luck, skill or good strategy????

It's simply a matter of ethics. If the guy was so skilled in what he had done, he would have stayed with his rod confident in some result. He would not have left his tackle to go back to his car. Personally, if I had approached a swim properly, baited with a good bait and put it just where I wanted it, there is no way that I would have left my tackle until I was sure that there was no liklihood of a take on that bait. I would say that someone in that situation had little confidence in anything he had done and the fact that a fish of a life time had taken his bait put his mate in the lucky seat. Getting a fish of a life time is due of all three of the factors you mention, but obviously luck can be a factor in the actual size of the fish. The guy who left his rod missed out and his mate was the one who enjoyed what would appear to be a simple stroke of luck - no matter who had caught the fish.

mol · Mar 15, 2011

flightliner said:
You arrive at your chosen spot with your angling partner, arrange your gear, tackle up, put a little bait in and cast to it.
You then realise that you have left some gear in the car so ask your friend to keep an eye on your tackle while you go back to the car.
While you are away a fish take the bait and when you come back your mate as landed the fish of a lifetime.
Question---- who claims the fish---angler A--- angler B--- or no-one???

In my view by walking away from you're tackle and asking somebody to keep an eye on it you're forfeiting any right to claim a fish, you're not actually fishing but walking to the car.

If your mate lands a fish whilst your away then fairplay. If he wants to count it and is happy doing so then it's fine by me, trying to stop him counting it smacks of sour grapes. Personally I wouldn't count it as a PB if it was but then thats my choice.

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An interesting question.

I think it depends on how you see the skill in fishing.

Is it choosing the spot?
Is it selecting the right baiting strategy?
Is it casting to the correct spot?
Is it bait presentation?
Or is it how you play the fish in and land it?

Luck plays a part in all of these, getting on the fish on first cast is more knowledge and luck than skill, but playing the fish of a lifetime on light tackle is mainly skill.

If that fish of a lifetime was foul hooked would either of you have claimed it?

Personally I would say it was a team effort but the one bringing it to the net has the ultimate claim on any kudos.

That said, different styles of fishing require different skills, float fishing on light gear is a different game to the strategy and technique of sitting out the trapping of carp.

So now I have stirred up all the "specialist" anglers, I would love to hear what others really think is the key point to getting the fish of a lifetime, luck, skill or good strategy????

I used to regularly go carp fishing with Fred, a good friend of mine. We'd share a swim, chat about a strategy then I'd cast out my two rods and Fred would cast out his two rods. The swim would be baited by the pair of us. we'd then take it in turns to hit the runs and land the fish, that way the success was equally shared. If I landed a fish it counted for me and if Fred landed a fish it counted for him, thats how we did it and I really don't care if other people think it doesn't counts.

peter crabtree · Mar 15, 2011

apologies for pouring cold water on your post Flightliner but regardless of who claims anything unattended rods are potentially very dangerous for both fish and waterfowl. I have seen tethered swans and ducks and it is very distressing both for the creature and for any angler or non angler who witnesses it. Also how many fish have we all caught with deformed mouths which in many cases is down to the fish becoming snagged and literally ripping its own lips off to free itself. Even leaving a baited hook attached to a rod ring is potentially dangerous, I have seen a duck hooked in the throat after it ate a baited hook on the bank. We have all laughed at the angler who left his rod and returned to see it sailing off across the water attached to a big fish, but that fish is potentially in danger of being seriously harmed. It all happens so quickly that even a friend in the next swim has little chance of getting to the rod before the damage is done.
It is simply bad angling and worse gives fuel to the anti brigade's case.
Rant over .................

Fred Bonney · Mar 15, 2011

Sorry about that flightliner, but it's mine

Seriously, I think whomever lands the fish has the claim.

Chevin · Mar 15, 2011

If an angler has had to leave his rod for any reason and has asked his buddy to keep an eye on it, is the rod unattended? Of course it isn't; an unattended rod is one that is left with no one other than the owner being aware of its presence. If the guy who is looking after it lands a fish on it, then there is no question as to who could claim the fish. How on earth could someone who had never played it have any claim what-so-ever, no matter how big the fish might be. If the rod owner's buddy had landed a tiny roach would the rod owner claim that despite the fact his pal caught it, or would he only do so if the fish was a big one? I believe that most record committees will only recognise claims for fish caught by the claiment. Even if the rod changed hands during the fight, then a record cannot be claimed.

Jeff Woodhouse · Mar 15, 2011

Chevin said:
I used to go fishing with an FG in the 1950s and early '60s. Is that the same one?

Yes. Except that he's a "living legend" now, or so he tells me.

You'll have to excuse the two different sign-ins. I'm Woody as an ordinary member on my laptop and Jeff Woodhouse from my desktop when I'm working for FM. It confuses me at times.

Peter Jacobs · Mar 15, 2011

Chevin said:
I believe that most record committees will only recognise claims for fish caught by the claiment

As far as the BRFC seem to be concerned there is no mention of who, or how many anglers may, or may not, have had a hand in the capture.

In any event it is the Fish and not the Claimant that is the 'record'

For reference see:
BRFC - Procedures for claiming a British Record

quickcedo · Mar 15, 2011

If it had been my fishery the angler who walked to the car would have been banned. Why on earth would you not wind in til your return.
Most fisheries seem to have a rod attendance rule and normally this is stated in meters permitted from the rod/s. So unless you were sharing the same swim........ In which case there is the amount of rods per angler rules to concider.

itsfishingnotcatching · Mar 15, 2011

Jeff Woodhouse said:
Yes. Except that he's a "living legend" now, or so he tells me.

You'll have to excuse the two different sign-ins. I'm Woody as an ordinary member on my laptop and Jeff Woodhouse from my desktop when I'm working for FM. It confuses me at times.

Thank G*D for that,
there was me thinking it was an evil twin

quickcedo · Mar 15, 2011

itsfishingnotcatching said:
there was me thinking it was an evil twin

Or worse a "mini me"

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