cheers chris the ravely drain is asmall drain near huntingdon cambs and it contains zander that's all i know. a friend of a friend owns a house on it's bank and has invited me to fish unfortunatly he does not fish so i'm not sure of what tactics to use. I normaly fish the Yorkshire swale for barbel and Loch Ken for Pike. I have orderd a copy of the book you kindly recomended. Marlin