Not really a rant

Clikfire · Mar 23, 2006

Enjoyed reading that Jeff, I think it is more of a balanced prespective of our sport and the climate than a rant though.

As for the carp, did you enjoy catching it and where you caught it from? If yes, then thats all that matters.

Tight lines to you too except at Clattercote

Graham Whatmore · Mar 23, 2006

A point of view sensibly put Jeff and very very relevant today. It never ceases to amaze me just how intolerant anglers are of others that don't conform to their idea of what 'proper' fishing is. How much better off angling would be if these ridiculous 'them and us' stances were a thing of the past.

Fred Bonney · Mar 23, 2006

Best rant I've read for a long time,thanks Jeff.

matt · Mar 23, 2006

I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments jeff

chubber · Mar 23, 2006

I agree wholeheartedly jeff!

I love my fishing and loving talking to people about the sport, but it sickens me when people act like a pack of wolves and pick on those who type a wrong word or fish a different method.
It's an every day occurance these days, but what really sickens me is the fact that youngsters are fully able to read what's been written or see arguments as they happen on the banks.
They hear all sorts of foul language, see litter left behind...etc.
What type of an example is it to set for them.
I'm forever stressing to my kids not to swear just because they've heard joe bloggs at school saying it and find it a shame that other parents don't think the same way.
I rarely swear in front of my kids and believe me this takes a certain amount of discipline when you get annoyed. Other parents seem to think (they hear it all at school so what's the point in stopping myself from saying it) but the point is that if you stop your kids from saying it (atleast in front of you) then they wil realise that it's wrong. Same goes for on the banks (there isn't enough discipline or self restraint)Monkey see monkey do I think is the phrase!
Anyway, you weren't ranting about the way kids are bought up "I know".
Just needed to get it off my chest I suppose!
But I agree there is far to many fall outs on the banks today and it's about time that Anglers realised how bad these things look.

darkuser80 · Mar 23, 2006

A few weeks ago I was having a session on a stream, when a family walked past. One of the little darlings accompanying the group, looked at my cane rod and in an angelic voice said
"Can?t you afford a f**king carbon rod" at this, the rest of the group accompanying, burst into laughter, not even a reprimand. So much for discipline.

chubber · Mar 24, 2006

Merlot
Maybe you should've pointed out that cane rods were more traditional and took a lot more looking after than carbon rods.
The "little Angel" would've probably asked what traditional was!

BAZ (Angel of the North) aka Fester · Mar 24, 2006

What a great shame it is that I have read through this article with a magnifying glass, and can't find a single sentence to disagree with.

Hang on a sec, I think I have found something.
The disputes or disagreements between specimen anglers and matchmen had little to do with one haveing access to a water that the other didn't, neither was it a case of fishing for money. In my area it has allways been a case of different rules as regards fish welfare, i.e not useing unhooking mats and putting carp in keepnets.

honslow · Mar 24, 2006

Cane rods usually cost more than carbon ones. Bet the little muppet didn't know that though.

chubber · Mar 24, 2006

Greg,
If you were to ask any kid these days "which is best old or new" they would always look at Old as being inferior!

Sean Meeghan · Mar 24, 2006

Thanks Jeff - I couldn't agree more!

Jeff Woodhouse · Mar 24, 2006

"Tight lines to you too except at Clattercote

" Thank you Clive. You may regret those words this year!!!

Amongst the poeple I fished with Baz, specimen/specialist or matchman, keenets were never an issue. Even when they were knotted string.

My point about singling people out can illustrated with this example -

Take all the anglers in England and Wales (the Licence holders). 1.5 - 2,000,000?

Aks them to split between those who approve of the use of keepnets and those who don't.

Now ask them to split between those who want to keep the close season and those who don't.

Again - those who approve of barbed hooks, those who don't.

Again - those who approve of 'commercial' waters and those who don't.

Again - those who only fish the float and those who don't.

Again - those who bivvy up and sleep and those who don't.

Again - those fish with bloodworm and those who want it banned.

Pick another 40 or so issues -

Pretty soon you find you are by your own, on your self. All alone and everyone else is pointing at you!

Now do you think they should be more tolerant?

Each day and night I pass a pub called the 'Live and Let Live', honest! Now there's a lesson for all.

chubber · Mar 24, 2006

My centiments exactly jeff.

At the end of the day I suppose people just don't like "Difference" maybe it's because it brings Jealousy or maybe it's because people see it as unusual, but it would be a boring world if everyone did the same things wouldn't it?

Then they'd be complaining about that too. As you've said "live and let live" and each to their own.

"Thank heavens" I can still fish the Wye around here without treading on anyone's toes, without a sole to be seen and the rolling hills for company!

BAZ (Angel of the North) aka Fester · Mar 24, 2006

Woody the thing I can not understand with keepnets is that a specimen angler must not put carp in them , but it is okay for a match angler to do so, even if it weighs ten pound or more, simply because it is in a match.
The specimen or carp angler would face haveing his card withdrawn for doing the same.

That to me is not right. If on the grounds of fish welfare carp do not go in keepnets that is fine by me. But it must be an all over rule and not exclude the matchman, irrespective of what kind of mesh net is being used.
That to me is discriminating between the two diciplines.
Oh, and while I am at it, matchmen are not expected to use an unhooking mat although they are obviously fishing for the bigger fish. This to me realy stinks.

chubber · Mar 24, 2006

I agree Baz, I've often thought that myself. What's the point of buying a carp freindly keepnet if you can only use it in a match? If after every couple of hours you weighed what you'd caught and then released them, then what is wrong in that? But all the time we read about people who've left fish in nets for 6-8 hours. Why do they do it? It spoils it for the more conscienscous anglers.

BAZ (Angel of the North) aka Fester · Mar 24, 2006

It's not even that chubber.
In the 60's and 70's there was such an outcry because carpers supposedly put carp in keepnets,some probably did, yet today they are still banned from doing so, they had an awful stigma attached to their names and they still do in many places, yet the same people who put a stop to it now allow matchmen to do that very thing.
And there is not a thing I can do about it, unless I put a motion in at the AGM.
If I am on my own in wanting fair play then so be it, but fair play only takes second place to fish welfare, which is why keepnets were banned for the carp lad sand not the matchmen.

Jeff Woodhouse · Mar 24, 2006

Baz,
This is all very recent stuff, carp in keepnets, unhooking mats. My article was relating back to the 60s and early 70s. These issues weren't a problem then.

As you have just said in your last posting, carp anglers would put carp in keepnets, but perhaps that was because there wasn't any carp sacks around.

Legally, there's no 'law' against it now. It's all down to club rules and they are guided by .... erm .... club bailiffs! Sorry, but in all honesty, things have changed a lot in the last 10 years let alone 30.

Many matchmen are now recommended to carry unhooking mats when fishing carp lakes, down here they are at least. It isn't a law again, not even for big carp anglers, to carry an unhooking mat, just club or fishery rules.

BAZ (Angel of the North) aka Fester · Mar 24, 2006

No Jeff, not recent at all mate. That is when it all started in the 60's and 70's. Carpmen couldn't but matcmen could. And it is still the same today. Like you say though, it's only a club rule.

Jim Gibbinson · Mar 26, 2006

"Live and let live" may sound like tolerance, but is actually a recipe for anarchy - I'm talking about life in general, here, not just angling.

Think about it.

Clikfire · Mar 27, 2006

"Tight lines to you too except at Clattercote

" Thank you Clive. You may regret those words this year!!!

Jeff I cannot do any worse than last year, short of drowning after a blank session! But if everyone else blanks too I come joint first

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