cheers for that Baz, very interesting, , I thought it may be part of the hotties, I fished the hotties many years again when the place had Cichids in it, I must say I was really intreged by the weed growth and people fishing through what few hole were in the weeds, yes Carter House is a bit isolated I got talking to a few of the lads who were actually bivvied up on the canal at this point, some money has been invested in this area of late with steel birding screens overlooking the Mersey along with a bird watching pier over the mud flaps which of interest is part of the Sankey valley nature reserve and the Trans-Pennine National Trail, I found it a fasinating area, the sections from Sakey Bridge to the Boat yard are no fishing sections, after the boat yard at Penketh you can fish in isolated gaps between the weed, after Fiddlers Ferry the canal is clear though with many fishing this area, where does it go to Baz, does it run into the Mersey at Runcorn and how is this canal fed??