What Knot?

Paul H · May 15, 2006

Just bought some spade end hooks for Clattercote this Saturday, I have searched the rigs page for a knot suitable to tie them but to no avail! I am an eyed hook simpleton I'm afraid so any advice or knot name I can search for would be greatefully recieved, ta.

Shrek · May 15, 2006

Unless you have incredibly nimble fingers, go and get a Drennan Hook Tying tool from your LTS. Dead easy to use and makes a very neat finish.

As you're a fly fisherman too, you might try a nail knot as it's more or less the same thing, but like I said, you need very nimble fingers.

Paul H · May 15, 2006

Ha ha, cheers, a wannabe fly fisherman is my current status Adrian. Enjoyed it though. I'll have to look the 'Nail' up.

Paul H · May 15, 2006

Basically the same as this then?

Nail.

mark williams 4 · May 15, 2006

In a sense, Paul. I know what Adrian's saying.

Twke his advice and get the hook tyer - top bit of kit, and comes with instructions

Paul H · May 15, 2006

I'm a sucker for punishment Mark, I like gadgets and things to make life easier however I do like to know how to do things the manual way too.

I've a reputation at work for asking questions, I like to be able to explain things or fall back on the basics if neccesary.

captain carrott · May 15, 2006

hooktiers are the basics, there is no benefit in knowing how to tie the knot by hand other than bluddi minded awkwardness.
once you get below about a size 12 anyone oevr the age of 12 can't do it because it's too fiddly.
so the only choices are get a hooktier or take a small child.

i'd opt for the hook tier because the small childs moaning that they are bored and running up and down the bank shouting will drive you mad and the fish into everyone elses pegs

Graham Whatmore · May 15, 2006

Paul, if you bring the hook tying line and the hooks to me at Clattercote I will tie them for you or you could buy one and follow these tying instructions. I prefer the Drennan type and have the same tyer I bought 30 years ago but its all a matter of preference and very very simple.

Paul H · May 15, 2006

Hooktiers are the basics, there is no benefit in knowing how to tie the knot by hand other than bluddi minded awkwardness.

Have we met before Jason? You seem to have the measure of me

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Cheers Graham, to be honest I hadn't thought about difficulties with smaller hooks so I may invest in a tyer after all, still looked up and learnt the knot though 'cos I'm bluddi minded like that.

njb51 · May 15, 2006

spade end knot -

hold the line along the shank, make a loop at the bend of the hook leaving a tail, take the tail (keeping the line taught) and wind the tail around the shank of the hook from spade towards to loop, after about 7 turns, hold the lot and thread the tail through the loop you made, wet and pull on the mainline, gently until the knot closes.

this knot is made harder if everything is slack, so either put the hook on last, so that you can keep the line taught with the help of the rod, or buy a hook tyer.

njb51 · May 15, 2006

or, if you are lazy, buy hooks to nylon.

Paul H · May 15, 2006

Interesting Jonny, your description is exactly like this one but with the whipping reversed.

Spade end knot

Which is right or does it knot matter?

Knot matter...? eh?

Yes, ok I'm off...

njb51 · May 16, 2006

Erm...........got me worried now.

I could indeed have the whipping the wrong way round. I haven't had to tie one in a while as I normally use eyed hooks.

I'm going to have to tie one now, but I have no hooks or line!

This is going to bug me all day!

Steve Spiller · May 16, 2006

That's the one Pikey, practise on larger hooks then move on to a size 22 to 8oz bottom, easy........Just make sure the line comes off the front of the spade not the back!
And as you've tied it yourself you can be totally confident with it, knowing the hook tier hasn't knicked the line!

Paul H · May 16, 2006

No hooks or line in the F.M offices?

22 to 8oz!?! I think my uses for that kind of finesse will be few and far between but I might give it a go just to see if I can.

Nigel Connor(ACA ,SAA) · May 16, 2006

Best thing to do is to get a set of pole rig holders for storage Paul and tie a batch of differing hooklengths in advance.That will mean you are not p...... about tying on the bank.

I've always tied by hand and have had no diificulties tying up to 20s.

Paul H · May 16, 2006

I'm going to tie a load before this Saturday Nigel, thats' my plan anyhow. I have made a rig bin from foam pipe lagging to store them in. I'm determined to be an organised match fishing machine.

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captain carrott · May 16, 2006

"I've always tied by hand and have had no diificulties tying up to 20s."

show off.
i always tie mine at home using the hook tyer you can make sure everything is right then before you attach it to the mainline.

Steve Spiller · May 16, 2006

Sounds like someone is starting to get serious!
Watch out lads, I reckon Pikey is a ringer and he is lulling you all into a false sense of security.
If he wants to up the pools to a tenner, say no!
Hehehehe.

;-)

njb51 · May 16, 2006

hustler me thinks!

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