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Andy Doughty

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I know its a carp forum, and this is a predator question, but I thought I should ask the experts on PVA first.

I am after a PVA bag to put some small pieces of lamprey or eel section out next to my zander baits.

Any ideas as to what bags are best to use for this sort of applcation?

Cheers for the help, Andy
 
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A bag would just dump them in a pile. Myself i would use a stringer. Make sure there are gaps between the sections this helps the pva string melt. If going the bag way the i would try the large PVA Mesh as most bags might be a bit small.
 
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You can get quite large PVA bags now. I think you would need to be very careful re water in/on the baits. As most of these baits come frozen you would need to get rid of any water present on/in the baits?
 
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Roll the baits in a groundbait first so they wont melt the pva make sure you piece the bags and get all the air out or they may float and cause the lead to smash through the bag on impact with the surface.
 
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Andy Doughty

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The mesh bag and baits rolled in ground bait sounds a top idea, cheers guys. The stringer idea is a good one too, but I dont think I would be able to dry the baits out enough.

How long does the PVA string take to melt for the stringer idea anyway?

And do have any recomendations for the mesh stuff?
 
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Chris Bishop

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Chuck the things in over the back of the boat, drop your rig on top, drift 20yds away and anchor up.
 
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In warm water a stringer or mesh bag will dissolve in around 20-30 seconds max.The use of oils will make them take longer.
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Korda
mo's co.
Are ones i have tried and are very good there are some cheap versions but they tend to ladder a lot.
When i tie a p.v.a bag I snip the top piece of pva down its length and tie it using the 2 bits this helps me to make the bag tighter than if you tie it by passing the bag throught the knot.
Not described to well but i think there is an article somewhere which shows it better.
 
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Les Clark

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Andy , Use a spod mate ,less hassle and you don`t want the bits too tight to your hookbaits ,give them a starter and then they will look for the main course .
 
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Maybe he wants a tight patch to entice the Zander to feed very closely to the hookbait and get a feeding frenzy going whereas if he is no good at spodding the area covered with bait could be very large and they will have more time to suss the hookbait as they move around dropping down for odd pieces of bait and it is very difficult to just spod the amount one PVA bag carrys as this would go nowhere near to filling a spod which can cause it to wobble and you may struggle for distance.

A pva bag will also stop the rig from getting tangled.

A spod gives good presentation for shoal fish as they graze the area and compete
I am no predator specialist so correct me if im wrong but are predators not mostly solitary so i would think a one bite tactick would suit the situation better.
Also spoding makes a great deal of disturbance although i dont know if that is a good thing or not.
 
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Les Clark

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Benny ,not being a zander man ,Im not to sure but don`t zander shoal up ?
Pike on the other hand tend to hunt alone unless there is a large shoal of silver fish ,then they herd them into a corner and rip the sh*t out of them .
 
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Mark Hodson

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Tried a similar thing last Autumn for predators. Settled on a mix of diced and mashed fish, dried in fishmeal and with a good soaking of fish oil in a solid bag. In the bag went a 4-6" popped up deabait.

Seconds after settling looked lovely, big oil patch, popped up deadbait sitting over the bed of mashed and chopped baits as the attractant.

Only problem, after 10 minutes every carp or bream or eel within 50 metres went down on it, loads of foul hooked bream, couple of fairly hooked carp and loads of takes I couldn't hit I put down to chub or eels. Worked better in the dead of winter when the other species were less active but the results still wern't outstanding in comparison to other methods.
 
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Big Rik

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I've tried to use mashed fish, blood and fishmeal mixed together before for eels and got plagued by tench and carp.
Most fish eat fish, so it's difficult to be selective.
 
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Andy Doughty

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Smaller zeds tend to shoal up, the larger ones seem to be more solitary fish, or feed off the back of a shoal on bits that have been dropped. I want the free offerings and the hook bait to be very close, with 6 inches if possible (That rules out spodding with my casting!). I think that they could be very wary old fish that are 'playing' with a bait before taking it. Nudge a large bit of lamprey and watch it fly off as the zander angler strikes, nudge a few little bits and they stay there, so they then get eaten.

I have been watching those Korda DVDs the last few evening, Pt2 and 3 at the moment. Makes you think about presentation and whats going on at the bottom of the lake. And made me realise that there is a lot that can be learnt from other areas of angling that could be of use in your own area.
 
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i have just purchased some nash pa bags and there are quite big and are thick and made for long casts so if you double up these so none of the juice dissolves the bag too early you should be fine.
to get these bags just get a nash products book

grant
 
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