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New Boy
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Can any one tell me what specimen fishing is.
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Fred Bonney
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It's fishing for fish of above average size!
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The Monk
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the word specimen has evolved over the years and is generally termed specialist fishing/angling, specialist angling usually applies to fishing for specific species, ie carp fishing, barbel fishing, roach fishing etc, but generally for specimen sized fish, in carp for instance usually 30lb plus fish, perch 2lb plus etc, you can however specialist for just carp and many do regardless of size caught, but generally the aim of the specilist or specimen hunter is to hunt, track and catch larger than average fish, the "all round specialist" fishes for a mulitude of species as and when he choses and as seasons suite
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The Monk
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It's fishing for fish of above average size!
no, not necessarily Fred, the new terminology for specimen (as applied in specimen circles) is accepted as specialist, some specialists simply specialise in one specie (or more) and are not size/specimen orientated
no, not necessarily Fred, the new terminology for specimen (as applied in specimen circles) is accepted as specialist, some specialists simply specialise in one specie (or more) and are not size/specimen orientated
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Ron 'The Hat' Clay (ACA-Life Member)
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The term "Specimen fish" is an old one that goes back to the days when a big fish was called a "Glass case specimen".
But what IS a specimen fish? In the old days of the 60s specimen groups we tended to judge a specimen fish as being half the record weight. It was an aim of specimen hunters to have caught a 2 lbs roach, 2 1/2 lb perch, 7 lb bream, 5 lb tench, 20 lb pike, 20 lb carp, 4lb eel, 1/2lb dace, 5 lb chub, 7lb barbel, 2lb rudd, 2lb crucian, 2 1/2lb grayling and a 3lb brown trout. With the exception of carp, I achieved all these figures and more by the age of 22.
But what IS a specimen fish? In the old days of the 60s specimen groups we tended to judge a specimen fish as being half the record weight. It was an aim of specimen hunters to have caught a 2 lbs roach, 2 1/2 lb perch, 7 lb bream, 5 lb tench, 20 lb pike, 20 lb carp, 4lb eel, 1/2lb dace, 5 lb chub, 7lb barbel, 2lb rudd, 2lb crucian, 2 1/2lb grayling and a 3lb brown trout. With the exception of carp, I achieved all these figures and more by the age of 22.
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Fred Bonney
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Then what you describe is a Specialist angler, surely Nick?
Anyway,what's in a name?
Anyway,what's in a name?
Lee Swords
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Just enjoy your fishing, dont worry about the numbers and names
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But if it's bigger it's ok to enjoy it just a little bit more!
Lee Swords
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Fair point!
Fair point!
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Phil Hackett disability bad speller with Pride
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Whilst I agree with Ron about half the national record weight, I?d add that a specimen is a larger fish than average from the water you?re fish at that time.
Take my local little river, the average size of chub in it are just about a pound. If I caught one at say 2 lb I?ve probably had a fish of a lifetime for that river and I?d be justly proud of catching it. Likewise the same applies to a farm pond where the roach go to 4-6 oz. A fish of a pound would be a tremendous fish for that water.
I guess what I?m saying is, "Strive to catch the larger specimens in the water your fishing." And if you?re catching them consistently, you can justly call yourself a specimen angler.
Lesions learnt and specimen fish caught on these waters, in my opinion, can be transposed on to other waters where fish measured against national targets can be had.
Lee is bang on - enjoy your fishing without worrying about numbers and names, that attitude has screwed up many hundreds of anglers down the years. To the point, where they?ve finished up in the nut house, or stopped fish because of it.
Take my local little river, the average size of chub in it are just about a pound. If I caught one at say 2 lb I?ve probably had a fish of a lifetime for that river and I?d be justly proud of catching it. Likewise the same applies to a farm pond where the roach go to 4-6 oz. A fish of a pound would be a tremendous fish for that water.
I guess what I?m saying is, "Strive to catch the larger specimens in the water your fishing." And if you?re catching them consistently, you can justly call yourself a specimen angler.
Lesions learnt and specimen fish caught on these waters, in my opinion, can be transposed on to other waters where fish measured against national targets can be had.
Lee is bang on - enjoy your fishing without worrying about numbers and names, that attitude has screwed up many hundreds of anglers down the years. To the point, where they?ve finished up in the nut house, or stopped fish because of it.
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New Boy
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Thank guys!
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New Boy
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Thank guy!
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Ron 'The Hat' Clay (ACA-Life Member)
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Very good posts both Lee and Phil.
If there is one word I cannot stand it's the term: "Specialist Angler".
Every time I see the ridiculous adjective: "Specialist" I squirm! Never in angling history as there been such a contrived term as "Specialist". It's truly is a load of utter bollax!!
Who invented it?
I would like to the person who contrived such utter carp - I mean crap, and hang him by the family jewels whilst at the same time branding his back with this utterly ridiculous term.
There is no such thing as a specialist angler for crying out loud!
We are all anglers - period!
If there is one word I cannot stand it's the term: "Specialist Angler".
Every time I see the ridiculous adjective: "Specialist" I squirm! Never in angling history as there been such a contrived term as "Specialist". It's truly is a load of utter bollax!!
Who invented it?
I would like to the person who contrived such utter carp - I mean crap, and hang him by the family jewels whilst at the same time branding his back with this utterly ridiculous term.
There is no such thing as a specialist angler for crying out loud!
We are all anglers - period!
Lee Swords
Well-known member
Have you missed your medication today Ron?
LOL!!
LOL!!
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Fred Bonney
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Now see what you've done, Nick.
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Ron 'The Hat' Clay (ACA-Life Member)
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if you are a specialist it means that you specialise in something - right!!
So if I am a fly fisher, it means that I specialise in fly fishing. And if I am a match angler it means that I specialise in match fishing.
But apparently the last two definitions describe the two sections of angling that are the least likely to be called specialist.
That's how flawed this silly term happens to be. Yet people carry on using it.
Humanity is strange. They will carry on doing something quite silly and technically wrong even when the fault is explained logically to them. It reminds me of some idiots in my industry. You can explain to them until you are blue in the face why a filter has to be installed the right way around, yet they carry on putting it in the wrong way round.
There's an old saying. When the truth knocks on the door, common sense is often locked in the woodshed!
So if I am a fly fisher, it means that I specialise in fly fishing. And if I am a match angler it means that I specialise in match fishing.
But apparently the last two definitions describe the two sections of angling that are the least likely to be called specialist.
That's how flawed this silly term happens to be. Yet people carry on using it.
Humanity is strange. They will carry on doing something quite silly and technically wrong even when the fault is explained logically to them. It reminds me of some idiots in my industry. You can explain to them until you are blue in the face why a filter has to be installed the right way around, yet they carry on putting it in the wrong way round.
There's an old saying. When the truth knocks on the door, common sense is often locked in the woodshed!
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Fred Bonney
Guest
Don't he go on.
So, specimen fishing is fishing for above average size for it's location then.
So, specimen fishing is fishing for above average size for it's location then.
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The Monk
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Then what you describe is a Specialist angler, surely Nick?
Anyway,what's in a name?
Oh yes its just a name Fred, but the description has develope over time you see, to be honest on many of the National committees I`ve sat on, the same old question comes up to try to find another name to describe specialist or specimen angling, but we always finish up with the same, its just a description to help us understand a particular branch of the sport thats all
Anyway,what's in a name?
Oh yes its just a name Fred, but the description has develope over time you see, to be honest on many of the National committees I`ve sat on, the same old question comes up to try to find another name to describe specialist or specimen angling, but we always finish up with the same, its just a description to help us understand a particular branch of the sport thats all