I think this is the thing with these waters Ged, we know very little about what is actually in these places, I`ve always found that really attactive, I once fished an old mill lodge in the middle of Manchester which was basically a football pitch and a place of great deviance (yeah Ok but they seemed nice girls at the time), weed covered the entire surface, I spent 8 month on the place and eventually caught a 20, I listened to the rumours, while others shunned them, and it paid off