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Paul Kendall

Guest
Cracking article - reminds me of several waters I have fished with odd rules - one in particular had a rule that eating & drinking was not allowed in your peg !

Anyone else come across any good ones ?
 
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Stewart Bloor

Guest
Thanks Paul, very much appreciated.

I'm sure a number of FISHINGmagic regulars will recognise their contribution to the article, as it was on here that I made a request some time ago for information to enable me to put together the article.
 
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Michael Hall

Guest
I agree there are to many different stupid rules however I agree with certain things like no tins but some places take it to far such as the no eating on your peg as paul said. No wonder some places are struggling to keep their memberships up and also at my local water they really dont like carp fisherman/woman!! this is going to far and many of them want to leave. We also have one guy on the commity who is a carp angler and hes is hardlies listened to.
 
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John Pleasance

Guest
Rules are made for fools -- by idiots!

It's not long ago that a couple of fisheries in this area insisted on a minmum hook size of 14.

We still have one lake (in school grounds) where shirts must be kept on.

Couple of years back, large local club tried to ban the use of boilies on one lake which led to some great fun at the A.G.M with air dried donkey chokers being lobbed at the committee along with cries of "what is a boilie." Were you there Rik ?

Give way to salmon anglers --yeh right!

Fishing is allowed until one hour after sunset.

Fishing is allowed until sunset !

How about this one--Fishing by ticket only in advance-Mondays one hour before sunrise to one hour after sunset.Any other day 1 h b4 s/r to 9.00 a.m. No fishing on Bank Holiday Mondays and no groundbait.
I've never bothered to look at that lake.

I'm going for a beer to calm down.
 
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Neil Wayte

Guest
One of the lakes I used to fish was set in a public park.Around the lake was a tarmac path,now between the path and the lake you were not allowed to cook food,you could boil water to make a drink but if you went the other side of the path ie the park side you could then cook your grub.
Another water had a 48 hour rule on it but you were not allowed to sleep on your rods.How safe was a 48 hour session there followed by a 90 mile drive home.
 
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Nicky Garbutt

Guest
this is a daft one on lines over 10lb the lake is snagy as hell. and float fishing olny!
 
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Steve Burke

Guest
One of the reasons I got my own fisheries was to avoid restrictions on my local club and day ticket waters.

The most annoying one was no night fishing, not even evenings after dark. On one stretch of river I had occasion to talk to the farmer after rescuing one of his sheep that had fallen in. He apologised for our sport being ruined and asked what time we'd be leaving. I told him at dusk because of the no night fishing rule. "What no night fishing rule?", he replied, "I didn't make it".

Of course it was the club's rule, made because some of the committee thought night fishing was cheating as it was so easy. (I wish!). Despite bringing the subject up at the AGM, no change was made.

However, it didn't bother us as we had permission to fish at night as guests of the farmer!
 
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Steve Burke

Guest
Cracking article, Stewart!

All the rules on my own fishery come from the following two principles:

1. Every member must do his or her utmost to avoid damage to fish, wildlife or the site.

2. Members must not interfere with the enjoyment of others.

Anyone breaking these principles is deemed to have broken the fishery rules. This works very well in stopping "stroke pulling"!

In an ideal world these two principles would be sufficient. In practice specific rules are needed. However, I hate restrictions and try to have as few rules as possible.

I believe they should be for a specific reason, not because I don't do that sort of fishing myself, or because members are jealous of the success of others.

However, I've learnt from experience that fishery rules have to be laid out in black and white and be unambiguous.

They must be seen to be fair and reasonable, and also I think apply equally to all members - including bailiffs, and not forgetting the owner!

Finally, they have to be both enforceable and enforced. If not, why have them?

Do you find that the rules on your local waters are enforced fairly, or even at all? What happens to rulebreakers such as litter bugs or those who wander away from their rods?
 
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Stewart Bloor

Guest
Thanks for the comments Steve.

I guess as a fishery owner it's a case of 'pleasing some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time !!!'
 
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John Pleasance

Guest
I do agree with your sentiment on rules Steve. The first sentence of my previous posting was obviously only a throwaway,although basically correct,but apologies for calling you an idiot!

We really shouldn't need to have rules like :-No tins,no bottles , no litter ,shut all gates etc. EVERYBODY should be doing these things already.

We have similar problems in this area with regard to fishing times In fact I have had similar conversations with farmers myself to that you describe. I am pleased to say however that one of the two large clubs in the area is far more enlightened than the other.I can understand the need for time restrictions where anglers vehicles will be parked near houses but many of our river fisheries in particular by their very nature are out in the sticks.

One major problem facing specialist anglers is that clubs tend to be run by the match fraternity because they are the ones who need organising.
 
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Alan Roe

Guest
John I don't know why you have singled out the match fraternity as the target of your ire.

However it is a sad fact that within ALL branches and discipines of our pastime we a saddled with a percentage of Numpties and Slobs, the variety who leave litter and line wherever they go, the variety who see nature and feel honourbound to vandalise it, the greedy the arrogant and the stupid.

These little darlings can be and are found in all areas of angling despite the best efforts of many to either educate the brutes(where this is possible) or to persuade them to take up something more suited to their characters.

The majority of rules are imposed in the often vain hope that at least some of these people will refrain from some of the worst excesses of their antisocial behaviour and to give some opportunity of sanction against those who wilfully transgress.

The fact is that if all anglers could be wholly honest decent trustworthy persons there would be no need for imposed rules but sadly this isn't the case......
 
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John Pleasance

Guest
Alan
I had't intended to single out the match angler as such,I'm sure as you say that litter louts come from all branches of the sport,they only got a mention as being the group who tend to form the majority in running most clubs and therefore responsible for the rules that the rest of us have to put up with.
 
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john conway

Guest
In general I’ve found the match angler tends to be more organized and therefore may be they have more of a leaning towards the organizational side of a club. Next week we have our AGM and although it’s not on the agenda as a rule change, it’s often suggested that the coarse angler should not be allowed to fish during the Salmon season. Now the River Lune and its tributaries amount to several hundreds of miles of which only the bottom two miles are available to the course angler. Fortunately 60% of our club, which controls 1 ? miles of the bottom 2 miles, are coarse anglers.
 
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Michael Hall

Guest
I might be minority of match/plessure anglers but today, I and my mate both cleaned up the pond where I fish. We often work there and only do little bits at a time such as today we trimmed the grass verges back to the width of the path. we only did three pegs however we have got just under half of the lake done I haven't done all of this as there are only one or two others who do this on their own free will, when I`m at school! I also last year instead of fishing spent my weekends working at the lake! I plan to this year and I do it at my free will. I realise that my generation are the future of fishing! What will happen in the future if people keep on being irresponsible?? I hope that people will change their actions and think about the consiquences of their actions!!
 
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Edmund Cowpe

Guest
I think the success to any club is balance. If you have any group (Carp anglers, match anglers, pleasure fishermen, old farts, young guns, all men, all woman.........) which holds sway, somebody’s going to get squeezed out. The best option is to change committee members every couple of years if possible. Please don't give me the “there won't be anybody who will replace us” crap. At my local club I was told nobody would take over the position of chairman. As soon as I asked, quick as a flash, the chairman wasn't quite so ready to leave. If your out there and have sat 30 years on a committee, have a couple of years rest and go back refreshed with new ideas.
 
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Nicky Garbutt

Guest
groundbait only in feeders and no hooks over 14 those are just daft!.
 
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ED (The ORIGINAL and REAL one)

Guest
I think the most important rules are the unwritten ones among anglers themselves --- the ones we should all honour such as:-

not fishing other peoples swims which we know are being fished and pre-baited by our fellow anglers

knowingly giving misleading information about where fish have been caught -- if you dont want people to know dont say anything --rather than lie about where

I'm sure you can all think of other instances ......
 
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