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EC
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Good, bad or same old, same old?
How are we doing, all things considered?
How are we doing, all things considered?
Graham Whatmore
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I reckon its in a pretty good state generally. Angling, as with everything else in life, changes and so it should otherwise we still be fishing silk lines and cane rods. I have seen massive changes over the many years I have been fishing and hand on heart I can't say they have been bad changes, quite the contrary.
Sure, some changes we like and some we don't but that won't stop changes happening and neither it should otherwise we would have no progress.
Sure, some changes we like and some we don't but that won't stop changes happening and neither it should otherwise we would have no progress.
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BAZ (Angel of the North)
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Deffinately getting more and more political at management level.
In general it seems to be in a state of limbo at the moment. Unless it's me that is mellowing. (o
In general it seems to be in a state of limbo at the moment. Unless it's me that is mellowing. (o
In my area Eddie I'd have to say:
1. Water Extraction - loosing the battle, seems to get worse year on year.
2. The black 'death' - winning the battle, in fact I'd say - 'sorted'
3. Return of Dace & Roach to the Rivers - getting better year on year due to:
i) sensible stocking by clubs and syndicates,
ii) a drastic reduction in the black death, see 2 above,
iii) natural spawning over the past 2 seasons
4. The closed Season - still in tact on the Rivers, thank God!
5. Commercial fisheries - on the slight increase, although the recent 'plague' has reduced the numbers of anglers on these sorts of waters.
6. Local Tackle Shops - still in business and seemingly doing very well, one or two locally have enlarged their premises and are going 'on-line' in the near future
7. The ACA still in DIRE NEED OF SUPPORT - get yourself joined up if not already, PLEASE!
That is the scene locally to me, but on the National level:
Still no unified angling organisation that is funded by individual members - more is the PITY!
1. Water Extraction - loosing the battle, seems to get worse year on year.
2. The black 'death' - winning the battle, in fact I'd say - 'sorted'
3. Return of Dace & Roach to the Rivers - getting better year on year due to:
i) sensible stocking by clubs and syndicates,
ii) a drastic reduction in the black death, see 2 above,
iii) natural spawning over the past 2 seasons
4. The closed Season - still in tact on the Rivers, thank God!
5. Commercial fisheries - on the slight increase, although the recent 'plague' has reduced the numbers of anglers on these sorts of waters.
6. Local Tackle Shops - still in business and seemingly doing very well, one or two locally have enlarged their premises and are going 'on-line' in the near future
7. The ACA still in DIRE NEED OF SUPPORT - get yourself joined up if not already, PLEASE!
That is the scene locally to me, but on the National level:
Still no unified angling organisation that is funded by individual members - more is the PITY!
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Ian Cloke
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"Still no unified angling organisation that is funded by individual members - more is the PITY!"
It's probably been said on here before, but, why don't we(FM members) start up a NATIONAL ANGLING group? We have anglers from all the different styles of fishing, plus we have a few well known names, to get us noticed. There are several people who come to mind as all-round anglers, who could (perhaps) be on the committee. Also we have some very conservation minded people on here, infact we have all the people needed to start this up, SO WHY NOT GIVE IT A TRY? ;-))
It's probably been said on here before, but, why don't we(FM members) start up a NATIONAL ANGLING group? We have anglers from all the different styles of fishing, plus we have a few well known names, to get us noticed. There are several people who come to mind as all-round anglers, who could (perhaps) be on the committee. Also we have some very conservation minded people on here, infact we have all the people needed to start this up, SO WHY NOT GIVE IT A TRY? ;-))
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BAZ (Angel of the North)
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N.A.G. sounds good to me Ian. (o
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In my limited experience it mostly seems to be going ok.
My only concerns lie around the increase in money orientated venues and the like.
I know that's the way businesses gravitate but the gap between small local clubs and big water venues / syndicates is widening and surely its only a matter of time before there are more instances of 'gazumping' small clubs when renewing their rights.
I have other views on stocking policies but I do not know enough about the existing rules and facts to make an informed comment.
I also like the N.A.G idea Ian but my involvment in angling to date is short lived compared to most on here. I would be prepared to help out in any way I could but my knowlege of committees and previous and present angling bodies is also extremely small.
My only concerns lie around the increase in money orientated venues and the like.
I know that's the way businesses gravitate but the gap between small local clubs and big water venues / syndicates is widening and surely its only a matter of time before there are more instances of 'gazumping' small clubs when renewing their rights.
I have other views on stocking policies but I do not know enough about the existing rules and facts to make an informed comment.
I also like the N.A.G idea Ian but my involvment in angling to date is short lived compared to most on here. I would be prepared to help out in any way I could but my knowlege of committees and previous and present angling bodies is also extremely small.
Graham Whatmore
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So, you set up NAG out of FM members and who do you think has the time and the inclination to take it on?
It sounds fine in principle because of the amount of FM members but it would need to be a full time job with a salary to take on something like that.
It sounds fine in principle because of the amount of FM members but it would need to be a full time job with a salary to take on something like that.
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Fred Bonney
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Ok ?5 a head p.a.
What do you want me to do?
What do you want me to do?
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EC
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Angling has governing bodies in place already, that's not about to change, you can't just sack a governing body and say 'move over, we want to govern the sport now!'
But, we did actually have a real life MP on our site the other week, asking for ideas about how we can finally punch our weight!
But, we did actually have a real life MP on our site the other week, asking for ideas about how we can finally punch our weight!
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Sean Meeghan
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I'll do it for ?3 a head!
Seriously though I think we've turned a corner recently. More angling programmes on telly and I think I detect a change in public opinion.
We need to take advantage of this, but I think thereby lies the problem - as Ian said: no effective national body. Single species groups seem somewhat prone to being argumentative and they have no interest in joining forces with other groups.
I don't have any idea of how we solve this!
Seriously though I think we've turned a corner recently. More angling programmes on telly and I think I detect a change in public opinion.
We need to take advantage of this, but I think thereby lies the problem - as Ian said: no effective national body. Single species groups seem somewhat prone to being argumentative and they have no interest in joining forces with other groups.
I don't have any idea of how we solve this!
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Eddie, The problem is, that we SHOULD be able to sack the so-called governing body for being ineffective and replace them to the benefit of Angling. How do these individuals gain a place on the governing body in the first place! Is it just a matter of turning up and making themselves available, or, are they voted on by those they are supposed to represent. I the latter is the case, they can also be removed and a better candidate elected. Lets face it, in a job, if it is proven you are not achieving, then you are out. Always someone out there who can, and will, take your place and be more productive. I think these governing bodies should be far more accountable to the Angling public.
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EC
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Tom, the NFA is made up of member clubs mate those clubs elect reps at a regional and then a national level, so the national exec committee, vice pres, and president are all part of an elective process.
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good untill the polish start spearing the carp for food
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EC
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Kin'ell the waters must be clear by you mate!
Spearfishing = the future!
Spearfishing = the future!
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Chris Bishop
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We've got a story on our site saying the tackle trade employs 18,000 people, is worth ?500m a year and more people are going fishing that the last time it was carried out.
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Phil Hackett The ostrich pie hater
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Tom when and where are the new messiahs going to poke their heads above the parapet? I?ve been around specialist angling at national level for nearly 20 years, and I ain?t seen much signs of new young blood wanting to get involved.
Heard a lot of whinging and moaning about it on the bank and in the pub, but alas their absence from getting involved is deafening.
And within the specialist world it isn?t that difficult to become involved!
Perhaps you?re the man, but the problem is, we don?t know who you are or what you?ve done for angling.
Care to enlighten us all as to your distinguished CV?
Heard a lot of whinging and moaning about it on the bank and in the pub, but alas their absence from getting involved is deafening.
And within the specialist world it isn?t that difficult to become involved!
Perhaps you?re the man, but the problem is, we don?t know who you are or what you?ve done for angling.
Care to enlighten us all as to your distinguished CV?
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Phil, you've never heard of 'The Bream Machine'?
Its like the baggin' waggler but different and for bream and...
I'll get me coat.
Its like the baggin' waggler but different and for bream and...
I'll get me coat.
Tom (Bream Machine)
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Phil: I never stated i was the man for the job...merely passing comment, which i'm sure you can agree much of which is viable! As for my Angling career...and CV, i dont know who you are, or what you have done, however, in thiry five years of Angling, i have represented teams in most National events, Scotland in the World Club Champs, several clubs and associations, two of which i hold the match record for. I also sit on Angling club and association committes. So, perhaps distinguished enough eh!
I dont "whinge or moan", to use your phrase, i in fact act, in attempting to improve our lot, fragmented as it is.
I dont "whinge or moan", to use your phrase, i in fact act, in attempting to improve our lot, fragmented as it is.