a rod for EVERYTHING!

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i need a new rod that will do everything! well mainly light river and canal work! it has to be cheap and reliable it will be on a baitrunner or catana 2500 and im considering getting a neaxave 4000 as a inbetween! at the moment ive got a heavy sea/carp rod and a nice medium feeder so im just looking into going for something different (barbel and chub) mainly so any reccomendations would be good( price is variable) but it is just a taste of river and canal that is different to my pole so something cheap or off ebay
thanks KF
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Sorry I do not know those reels, but I am really looking forward to seeing what is suggested.
 
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I'm confused: are you looking for a leger (mostly) rod to fill the gap between your carp rod and your medium feeder rod, or a float (mostly) rod to go between the feeder rod and your pole?
Are your chub and barbel in a sweet little soft-weeded, clay-bottomed river like the Lea (where an "Avon" combo will handle most jobs) or a hairy-assed torrent with dead-badger-sized rocks all over it , like ( apparently) the Ribble - in which case you'll need a long, strong heavy feeder rod?
Is your canal fishing going to be for non-carps from gudgeon up to medium bream, or chub and the occasional carp? Is it a big shipping canal, or a tiny, shallow cut for narrow-boats?
No rod is going to cushion 12 oz hooklengths AND heave a big feeder to the middle of the Trent or Tidal Thames!

"When I was a lad" the nearest to a "universal " rod was the Nottingham pattern, 11-feet -ish, whole cane butt, split-cane middle and tip. Too beefy for tiddlers, too light to cast more than about 1.5 oz, (and that, gently), but OK for anything between 4 oz dace and the old barbel record of 14 lb 6 oz.


The carbon equivalent is probably a "Match carp waggler" type rod of 11-13 feet; take a look at the Drennan Red range or the Grandeslam Academy float rods. they'll cope with LIGHT legering, but you'll have to use a sidewinder, butt-indicator , bobbin or touch to detect most bites.

Leeda and Shakespeare rods are also usually good value, but you have some big decisions to make, it seems.

---------- Post added at 07:59 ---------- Previous post was at 06:03 ----------

A thought - the old (glass) Hardy Matchmakers were famous,iirc, for absorbing abuse; I seem to recall someone grumbling that he'd wrecked one beachcasting!!!
A scruffy "user" from ebay might be worth a punt.
 
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Like Alan, I'm struggling to understand what exactly it is you want. Your Medium Feeder rod should cover a good selection of your legering needs. All you seem to be missing is a float/match rod. The snag here is that if you go heavy enough to make getting decent barbel out a little less than uncontrolled luck, it'll be overkill for light line canal work. Best bet might be a fairly standard match rod with the expectation that you might struggle a little with decent barbel. Alternatively, go for a "power" float rod and don't expect it to be much good with light hooklengths on a canal.

I'm sure that others will disagree, but I don't believe that genuine all round rods exist. If I were in your shoes, and I was once upon a time, I'd be looking at match gear, a 13ft waggler rod to go alongside your medium feeder rod and pole.
 

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I have Shimano Catana 4000RA. Its bigger that the 2500 you mention and I think it would be more suited for you as a good all round reel. I've used it for chucking out feeders and leads of all size right down to 2 swan shot link ledgers. Perfect for big chub and barbel all all round general use. You don't need a baitrunner for barbel or chub fishing unless you decide to bolt rig. You can also pick them up cheaply for £25 or less.
If I had to choose an all round rod then it would most probably be a John Wilson Avon Quiver.
 

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my main concern is for canal but when i can i go to the trent and use a borrowed daiwa barbel something specialist. the leeda range looks fantastic and looking at something different what is the shimano joy range not on their website but on argos which have some fantastic deals on shimano reels at the moment baitrunners for £50 and catanas for £13!
thanks or all the responses KF:)
 

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I can't help you with which current rod to go and get but I use one rod in many situations.

I will also say I have over twenty rods and will try to use the right tool for the the job.

I have a Diawa pro specialist 1 1/2 lb test curve. I use this with an old mid range mid sized Diawa fixed spool reel. I also use it with other reels as circumstances allow.

I can easily use four or three pound mainline or at the top end eight or ten. I have gone two pound higher and a pound lower.

This year I have for most of the time been fishing with this set up on lakes and drains for a couple of carp about fifteen, tench, bream and roach. This float fishing with four pounds line. I lost a biggie in a hook and hold situation because the hook (drennan specialist) had straightened. I couldn't believe it, I thought I must have been smashed as I had given nothing but it wasn't the rod that was at fault.

Don't get me wrong I don't believe in not having the guns to land a fish. I know I can use this rod with ten pound line and catch very large barbel.

I have used the same rod and reel combo to spin for bass and mackerel.

If I could only have one rod that would be it. I bet I could even cast a fly with a seven weight line.

Maybe try diawa, they have a lovely action and go for about 1 1/2lb test curve in an avon style. Don't know what the new ones are like as I find it hard to justify spending when I know I've got a rod that will "do it".

ps. The problem is if you want to cast a big lead or dead bait further than twenty yards, but no rod can do everything.
 
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looking t the shimano range as they are perfect in evrything for me so far! don't buy reels from anyone else and my aerocast feeder is sublime!
 

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Other than singing the praise of Shimano I still have no idea what you are after.

Back in the 1950's and 1960's most anglers had one rod with just a few having two generally a 12' or 13' tip to middle action rod although some went for a full action rod. Until you decide just what you are looking for I would say save your money. For me and I have used a few Shimano rods you could not pay me enough money to use one, they simply do not suit my style of fishing.
 

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looking at the grandeslam range as they are cheapish and highly rated :)
KF

think i will get a pellet waggler for pleasure and stick a centrepin on it :)
 
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lord,
it was a title to catch the eye
if you read the comments then you would see that i have specified a inbetween for my feeder/quiver tip and pole that will be used for river and canal but occasional lake!
and any recommendations from you will be much appreciated or even 2 recommeendations a budget has been set of £50 and above or below(especially below) would be nice:)
thanks KF
 

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lord,
it was a title to catch the eye
if you read the comments then you would see that i have specified a inbetween for my feeder/quiver tip and pole that will be used for river and canal but occasional lake!
and any recommendations from you will be much appreciated or even 2 recommeendations a budget has been set of £50 and above or below(especially below) would be nice:)
thanks KF

Knowing the budget knowing the type of fishing you plan is not everything unless you know the reel.

I guess I was being a little obtuse, so to clarify.

Take the reel to a tackle shop try your reel on the rod you fancy and is within your budget. Feel the balance and think remembering I may be holding this rod for several hours perhaps with just one rod rest often without a rod rest. Next look at the action just tip (a match rod) probably not try one with a fuller action going towards an Avon style with a through action to handle some of the larger fish found in rivers. For pure canal work and medium paced not too wide rivers I would go for a tip or a middle action rod and not consider an Avon or through action rod as you are unlikely to need it. Big rivers yes then look for a through action rod the longest you can afford.
 

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think that a cheapi9sh grandeslam might do the job and watatoad have you tried the dragon cr*p all rounder really like the idea and the kids i fish with would love a rod that can in thoery change to suitdifferent situations :) the drenna range looks great as well your lordship :)
KF
 

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think that a cheapi9sh grandeslam might do the job and watatoad have you tried the dragon cr*p all rounder really like the idea and the kids i fish with would love a rod that can in thoery change to suitdifferent situations :) the drenna range looks great as well your lordship :)
KF

Visit http://www,watatoad.com there are 12 rod tests all in the lower price bracket - and the only thing for sale not that she has sold any are my wife's 'Tee' shirts stickers and mugs...hehehe

But the reports are totally independent and my and up to 12 of my friends honest test of the tackle.
 

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A rod for everything! we are doing our spare room up,and i was in garden wife was looking upstairs ,when she shouted out window if you dont come and move these BL,,,DY fishing rods they will be chucked out window,
i went upstairs she said ive just bl,,dy counted em 37 time you got rid of em.

:):):):) And i still aint got a rod for everything,
 

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37 !?!

That would certainly represent a storage issue here. You wife did well to count them all. Ive only got 9 or 10 and i'm also a horder.

Thinking about it ive only actually seven....

7ft home made wand QTip (lovely but only used about three times in 30 years)
9-10' quivertip / swingtip / spinning / light stalking rod
11' big tench
11' Huge Dog
11' Avon
11' carp rod
12' match / float

I can see a definite need for a 13-14ft trotting rod and a 11-12ft quivertip rod...
 
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Yes it does and most are feeder rods i phoned brother up im going to give him and his son a couple rods and reels ,ive not been fishing much at all this year not wanted to go
 
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