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njb51

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.......but here goes.

I am in the possession of some roof lead and I want to melt it down to mould my own weights.

Is this allowed or will i have to coat it in something before I lob it into the water?


Ta!
 
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Nigel Connor(ACA ,SAA)

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New and original threads only please Jonny.
 
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MarkTheSpark

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There's a leaky church near you somewhere, then?!!

The restriction on the smallest size of lead weight you can use legally is, I'm pretty sure, around 1/2oz (but I stand to be corrected on that).

Moulding your own is a great way to make custom leger weights, and you can get moulds from some firms. Not sure where these days; no doubt someone will post some information.

I've done a fair bit of this, and you need to be aware of the following; hot lead is really dangerous stuff. Wear protective glasses, a GOOD P3 filtered face mask and leather gloves. Work in a well-ventilated atmosphere, and make sure there is nothing combustible nearby.

You can melt lead over a cheap gas stove, but a big blow lamp (some have a special 'rested' mode) is better, melting small quantities at a time in a cast-iron pan of some kind.

You can make your own moulds from plaster of paris but it's really hazardous.

I found this click here which might be useful.

Please, be very careful. We care for our FM members here!

And no, you don't have to paint the weights but it can look really nice if you do.
 

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Cheers Mark. Didn't realise water could make the molten lead spit back!!
 

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let me tell you a story.

quite a few years ago when i was in my teens, i went to school with a lad, whose father owned his own small business. a none ferrous metal foundry.

one of the most striking features of mr nowell was his sporadic beard and infrequent posession of eyebrows. coupled with a frequently black face.

all this caused by casting the occasional ingot into black sand that wasn't dry enough.
 
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Any shot or weights between a No.6 (.01 gram) and 1 oz (28 grams) has to be in a subsitute material, eg. tin.

I used to make 1lb - 2lb pyramid leads for the sea anglers at one time, fire in the back garden and a small crucible over the top. After making one I used to cool the lead mold off in water and one day there was a tiny drop in the bottom where the wire loop used to go. I thought nothing of it until the hot lead went in.

It was like Krakatoa erupting. Luckily none hit me, but it taught me a valuable lesson - let 'em buy their own leads in future. I sold the mold on ebay two years ago for about ?6 to a chap from Scotland. I warned him too.
 
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MarkTheSpark

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Thanks for the legal correction, Jeff. Quenching hot moulds with water is a definite no-no really, with the penalty that if you're trying to churn out a dozen, it takes a while.

Probably worth lining up a variety of moulds and casting them in turn - enough for the season, given the effort of doing it.

I found this click here for anyone wanting to go for it.
 
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Frothey

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when me and my dad used to make leads we'd quech the leads in water, but heat the mould back up over the flame before we used it again - it also made sure the mould didnt cool the lead too quickly.
 
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trev matthews

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i used to mould my own sea leads and the trick is to get hold of some of the metal moulds specifically for this purpose and make sure they are warmed before use. This will ensure that there is no moisture inside. Dont forget to wear some decent footwear too cos hot lead spilt onto the floor and splashed onto your foot hurts a tad. I used to use a small sauce ladel which held about 5 oz of lead so it was ideal, which i held over a small bluey stove in my shed.
 
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Eric Hayes

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All the lead moulding gear you could ever want.

The feeders I make are better than any I could buy in the shops (except maybe the some of the Nisa feeders that mine are loosely based on) & a damn sight cheaper too. I fish the Ribble so I know what it's like to loose gear hand over fist.

I never cool anything I've moulded in water I just separate the mould with gloved hands and let them cool naturally, that way you don't get water into the mould and limit the chances of accidents.

If you take the correct safety precautions you shouldn't have to many problems.
 
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Andy "the Dog" Nellist (SAA) (ACA)

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If you do make your own make sure you wear proper safety goggles... you only have only one pair of eyes.

Lead weights have to be over 1oz

You can use lead split shot in no. 8 or smaller
 

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I have used a variety of unlikley objects as moulds in the past, a visit to the local scrapyard can be very beneficial, aluminium blocks can be drilled out with suitable drills,and make very usable moulds after being cutin half.... dead cow moulds can be made from an aluminium or steel tube, flattend, cut in half and set in a piece of timber, any length or weight you like, finally and the easiest is to use plain builders sand, fill a shallowish tray with sand, push the end of a broom handle or similar into the sand, you can use almost anything with the same profile as the sinker you want, then, and this is IMPORTANT... let the sand dry, and pour in the hot lead, after you have pushed the wire loop into the bottom of the mould first..
I have been making leads for over 30 years, and have only bought specialist moulds that were a bit difficult to make myself.The fish dont care what shape the sinker is, or at least they have not complained yet.
 

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Why do you have certain sizes banned in your country? I can just guess that it has something to do with birds eating them?
Here in Sweden we have no ban as of yet, other than local bans by the fisheries themselves.
 
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Frothey

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got it in one christer, though they havent banned lead shot in shotgun cartridges?
 

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It was supposed to be a ban on all ammo here in Sweden in late 2007 but the new government stopped that bill. It seems that a ban when "hunting over water" could come though and then a fishing ban on small leads seems logical also.
A ban on shotgun lead when hunting in wetlands and on water is already in effect since 2002.
 
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MarkTheSpark

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The shotgun lead ban isn't far off. Most shotguns being produced now are designed for steel shot.

There are some important differences between shotgun lead and lead split shot, though. Shotgun lead is hardened with antimony, and if far more difficult for birds to grind up in their gizzard (what a lovely word that is).

The problem was chiefly with swans, and always surfaced at places where there were a lot of boats. I spoke to the RSPB before the ban, and the scientist agreed with me that this had more to do with wash covering the gravel beds with silt - leaving only the more recently-desposited lead shot for swans to swallow - than it was to do with changing angling habits.

Clearly they thoughtit easier to ban lead shot than reduce boat traffic.
 

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Jonnyhave a look on ebay for some moulds, I've been casting sea & coarse leads for years, get some goggles & welders gloves (market) though. a good source of free lead is the tyre fitting firms, they chuck all their old wheel weights in a bucket & most are pleased to be shot of them. Oh and another good tool is a metal slotted spoon to skim the molten lead with.
 

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The main problem with steel shots in forests (for hunting) is that it destroys chainsaws for the forest industry. Thats why they only banned it in wetlands and on water here in Sweden since we have a big forest industry.
Wheel weights is a good tip. Just bring the bucket and they will be happy if you come by to pick the lead up.
 
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Lead shot isn`t banned in shotgun cartridges but you ARE BANNED from using it over WETLANDS.
 
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