David - thanks for your reply. In the past we have had most success on Marsworth, halfway along the shared bank (opposite Royal Box swim) Although there appears to be no difference in bottom contour, the bream also roll in that area in the summer -approx 40 yds out. In addition had a number of unstoppable runs leading to dropped baits - catfish?. Find it strange that a water that can produce specimen sized bream, roach and tench fails to produce a 30lb pike. Having said that, jack pike are an exceedingly rare site - predation from big brothers/sisters in preference to anything else, perhaps. In addition any form of hotspot developing results in the pike just melting away. Any futher comments wouldbe appreciated.