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Heroes and Villains...
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Lord Paul of Sheffield
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Nice Kev - wallis cast yes I can wallis cast - but the float lands anywhere but the water
barbelboi
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Interesting read Kev
J R Hartley, now where's a copy of Yellow Pages?
Jerry
J R Hartley, now where's a copy of Yellow Pages?
Jerry
Dicky (Angling Trust PAC)
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Good read that Kev...
Looking forward to the 'Walker was God' backlash...
Looking forward to the 'Walker was God' backlash...
Never heard of most of them but I have been away a while....
I did have 'Tench Fishing' by Fred Taylor& Bro. More a leaflet than a book. So.... Made a ****ing great swim rake in the metalwork class/ bought six loaves of old bread from the bakery for prebaiting/ fished all night and caught nothing at all. I pretty much gave up still-water fishing after that. But before I stop existing I will catch another tench. Before carp they were the express trains of yer local lake.
Ps: I grew up fishing Vauxall & Westbere lakes around Canterbury. Are there carp there now? I suspect there are
I did have 'Tench Fishing' by Fred Taylor& Bro. More a leaflet than a book. So.... Made a ****ing great swim rake in the metalwork class/ bought six loaves of old bread from the bakery for prebaiting/ fished all night and caught nothing at all. I pretty much gave up still-water fishing after that. But before I stop existing I will catch another tench. Before carp they were the express trains of yer local lake.
Ps: I grew up fishing Vauxall & Westbere lakes around Canterbury. Are there carp there now? I suspect there are
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Andrew Kennedy
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I love A Passion For Angling and on the couple of times I've met Bob James he's seemed like a decent bloke, but seeing as you mentioned ****'s foibles, I reckon Bob's would push him into the "villains" category!
The ACA "fiddling" was a grey area and some of the allegations were laughable (theft of a stamp FFS?!!) but the well-publicised affair which resulted in Chris & Bob parting ways, potentially robbed a nation of anglers of any future programmes or films featuring them as an inimitable duo.
So for this crime against angling I hereby forward the notion that in balance, Bob's more of a villain.
No further questions your honour.
The ACA "fiddling" was a grey area and some of the allegations were laughable (theft of a stamp FFS?!!) but the well-publicised affair which resulted in Chris & Bob parting ways, potentially robbed a nation of anglers of any future programmes or films featuring them as an inimitable duo.
So for this crime against angling I hereby forward the notion that in balance, Bob's more of a villain.
No further questions your honour.
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enjoyed that.....
Ivan Marks has to be above hero status, as a leicester lad he as to be a stage above any other angler.
he proved it constantly in his time when anglers were true fishermen on real waters.
something lacking in modern angling and that is not taking anything away from the likes of Will Raison.
Nowadays anglers are so specialised it's hard to take any judgement
what next in the angling world......
Ivan Marks has to be above hero status, as a leicester lad he as to be a stage above any other angler.
he proved it constantly in his time when anglers were true fishermen on real waters.
something lacking in modern angling and that is not taking anything away from the likes of Will Raison.
Nowadays anglers are so specialised it's hard to take any judgement
what next in the angling world......
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Morespiders
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Exellent Mr Perkins, Exellent, and what catogory is my good self placed in?
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Could never say a bad word against john Wilson. He is by far my fav TV personality to watch.
I really enjoyed the Passion for Angling series. Chris and Bob really made the show. Pity they fell out with each other. Catching the Impossible never really got close to the original
I like the modern shows (Absolute match fishing, Fishing Guru's, Preston winning pegs, Maver match sessions .etc) for what they are. Technique/teaching and a lot can be taken from them.
I really enjoyed the Passion for Angling series. Chris and Bob really made the show. Pity they fell out with each other. Catching the Impossible never really got close to the original
I like the modern shows (Absolute match fishing, Fishing Guru's, Preston winning pegs, Maver match sessions .etc) for what they are. Technique/teaching and a lot can be taken from them.
S-Kippy
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Up there with the very best Derek. By following your simple tips on how to weigh fish accurately my PB's have tripled.:wh
Peter Stone would be on my heroes list. Great angler & a lovely bloke too.
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Kevin Perkins
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Mr Spiders
As I am sure you know, you are above comparison compared to the mere mortals I have mentioned. And as your integrity is beyond reproach, will you please bring your 'special' scales with you next time we meet so that you can verify that any fish I catch is bound to win any 'Fish of the month' competition I enter
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Usual split on the winnings 75/25 in your favour.......
Caesarson
Could never say a bad word against john Wilson. Really...?
You are more than welcome to try my JW 'Six-Shooter combo and see if that doesn't somewhat cloud your image of the benign bearded one ...........
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chav professor
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Sadly, having grown up in the absence of the great super fishing oracle - Richard Walker - we had John Wilson! Can he not be forgiven for producing the six shooter combo, after all he did bring down from heaven the first all-rounder specimen rod - the JW avon quiver - which in its originol form is a rod that had no equal for over a decade! I still have my originol and I still rate it as a favourite rod.
Peter Stone also has a legendary status. I recall his regular contribution in Coarse Fisherman magazine and just remember being awestruck at the way this angler could think around a problem.
Finally, an ommision from the list is Jeremy Wade. For bringing back fishing onto mainstream tv. The reason I feel he needs aplauding is that fishing is probably the hardest thing to bring to the small screen and make interesting. I avoid angling tv on satalite like the plague............. But Wade's program brings excitement, a story, capture and apprehension; and finally the release of a villian better understood!
When I was a child, i wanted to grow up and be just like wilson..... I've changed my mind. When I grow up, I now want to be Jeremy Wade!!!
Peter Stone also has a legendary status. I recall his regular contribution in Coarse Fisherman magazine and just remember being awestruck at the way this angler could think around a problem.
Finally, an ommision from the list is Jeremy Wade. For bringing back fishing onto mainstream tv. The reason I feel he needs aplauding is that fishing is probably the hardest thing to bring to the small screen and make interesting. I avoid angling tv on satalite like the plague............. But Wade's program brings excitement, a story, capture and apprehension; and finally the release of a villian better understood!
When I was a child, i wanted to grow up and be just like wilson..... I've changed my mind. When I grow up, I now want to be Jeremy Wade!!!
Kevin Perkins
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OK Chav
Your heartfelt plea of mitigation for JW is accepted (Still doesn't forgive spawning the heinous Six-Shooter, that will remain on his record)
Peter Stone - accepted (He did teach Richard Walker all he knew, after all....
J Wade - accepted, even my missus watches him!
Your heartfelt plea of mitigation for JW is accepted (Still doesn't forgive spawning the heinous Six-Shooter, that will remain on his record)
Peter Stone - accepted (He did teach Richard Walker all he knew, after all....
J Wade - accepted, even my missus watches him!
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Andrew Kennedy
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Jeremy's series "Jungle Hooks: India" was due to come out a few months after I went to India Mahseer fishing. I'd been reading "Somewhere Down the Crazy River" before I went, for inspiration and loved it. I contacted Jeremy a couple of weeks before the "Go Fishing" show that year (he was on the SAA stand, I think) and said to call by if I was passing and he'd be happy to talk. Fair play to him too, we sat and talked for the best part of 2 hours! He relayed tales of his vast experience in India to me and then sat there and listened to me enthusiastically recount tales of my tiny amount of experience in India to him! He is a genuinely interesting, approachable, friendly guy who is massively into his fishing. I think on some of his shows he's had to slightly dumb-down (when he was in India, he acted as if he knew nothing about what was in those rivers, when in reality, he and Boote were once THE authorities on the place!) to bring mass-appeal, but the 1-hour shows are generally very entertaining and informative.
TV series aside though, I'd say that both Wade and Paul Boote deserve "Hero" status for everything that went into "...Crazy River". For having the determination to rediscover Mahseer fishing for a new generation, for having the balls to travel up the Congo for months in search of Goliath Tigerfish and then for having the writing skill to articulate these experiences so well into such a compelling, inspiring book.
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Rich Frampton
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100% agree......cann't add much to that Andrew.
barbelboi
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I’d go for three ‘heroes’ from my youth
Fred J Taylor - Angling in Earnest was my first angling book in 1958, I believe the only edition/book where the ‘J’ was not used. With tench being one of my favourite species I was always eager to read anything by Fred and bought every edition of the great 60’s mag. Creel.
Richard Walker - Walker’s Pitch was my second angling book in ’59., I started to become an avid reader of his books and columns from the late 50’s. Bumped into him a couple of times at Jimmy James’ in Ealing when visiting the shop with my father.
Peter Stone – ‘nuff said.
More recent, anything that was filmed by Hugh Miles and all Jeremy Wade's series.
Jerry
Fred J Taylor - Angling in Earnest was my first angling book in 1958, I believe the only edition/book where the ‘J’ was not used. With tench being one of my favourite species I was always eager to read anything by Fred and bought every edition of the great 60’s mag. Creel.
Richard Walker - Walker’s Pitch was my second angling book in ’59., I started to become an avid reader of his books and columns from the late 50’s. Bumped into him a couple of times at Jimmy James’ in Ealing when visiting the shop with my father.
Peter Stone – ‘nuff said.
More recent, anything that was filmed by Hugh Miles and all Jeremy Wade's series.
Jerry
red creel
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Nice article Kev, my all time favourite "hero" is undoubtedly Jack Hargreaves his Out of Town series was essential viewing for my father and myself in the seventies.Amongst the more mainstream angling personalities i would include Peter Stone and Ivan Marks very near the top of my list of heroes.I would include one other not mentioned on your list though Kenny Collings.When i was heavily involved in match fishing Kenny was a god to us southern anglers a more pleasant and generous angler it would be hard to imagine.
I drew next to Kenny twice in matches on the Thames and the battering i received off the next peg from him was unbelieveable.But the constant banter, jokes and advice i received more than made up for the lack of fish i presented to the scalesman at the end of the match.
Villains?..Just the two really Rex Hunt and Des Taylor.
I drew next to Kenny twice in matches on the Thames and the battering i received off the next peg from him was unbelieveable.But the constant banter, jokes and advice i received more than made up for the lack of fish i presented to the scalesman at the end of the match.
Villains?..Just the two really Rex Hunt and Des Taylor.
Kevin Perkins
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Noooo, must resist........!!!!!